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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:23:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Craig I. Hagan" <hagan@cih.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
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Subject: Re: What's left over.
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> Talk is cheap.
> 
> I've not seen a _single_ bug-report with a fix that attributed the
> existing LKCD patches. I might be more impressed if I had. 
> 
> The basic issue is that we don't put patches in in the hope that they will
> prove themselves later. Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

comment from userspace:

I'm going to have to side with Linus here despite my desire to see LKCD merged.
However, we need to show him the money. This means:

	* making sure that the patches are kept up to date

	* keep the LKCD patches in the list/community spotlight in a positive
		manner ("please test this!", or  "please use this when
		looking for help debugging a system problem"). Perhaps
		a 2.5.x-lkcd bk tree or something like that.

	* make documentation/HOWTO's available for folks so that
		they'll know how to generate a crashdump
		and run a some utilities against it to generate
		a synopsis which can be submitted for debugging

	* most important: squash a whole lot of bugs with
		said dumps!

If it becomes apparent through empirical data that crash dumps are a useful
tool, I'm sure that Linus will become far more amenable. Until then, lets let
him handle all of his other work which needs to get done.

-- craig



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			    Craig I. Hagan
			   hagan(at)cih.com



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