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From: Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@holomorphy.com>
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Subject: Re: What's left over.
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Bill Davidsen wrote:

>   The thing is that Solaris, AIX, and ISC are written by commercial
> companies, they realize that customers need to be able to debug systems
> which don't have a screen, a serial printer, etc. They do have disk. 
> 
>   I was hoping Alan would push Redhat to put this in their Linux so we
> could resolve some of the ongoing problems which don't write an oops to a
> log, but I guess none of the developers has to actually support production
> servers and find out why they crash.

Perhaps i'm being grossly naive here, but none of these presumably x86 
productions servers don't have a serial port? Not even PCI/ISA slots to 
add one? Serial would catch most of your oopsen anyway, and if you were 
borked enough that serial couldn't get the entire output, i somehow doubt 
dumping to disk could manage. And no i don't see anything wrong nor 
consider it studly to use oopses only for debugging...

	Zwane

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