Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:07:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:07:07 -0500 Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.137]:55303 "EHLO smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:06:41 -0500 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15813.33891.429000.126394@blauw.xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:17:39 +0100 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: [Help!] 2.4.20 IDE-SCSI / CD-writing crash X-Mailer: VM 7.05 under Emacs 21.2.1 Reply-To: hanwen@cs.uu.nl Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 21497 Lines: 599 Hi there, I have severe trouble trying to write a CD rewritable under linux. Symptoms are as follows: writing fails approximately 75 % of the times I try. When this happens, the SCSI or IDE layer goes into a reset-self-loop. This takes up all CPU time, and makes the machine unusable; this forces me hit the power-switch. This happens with RedHat 8.0 stock, 2.4.19 and 2.4.20-rc1 kernels, both with RH8 cdrecord, and the latest version (1.11a39). The writer is a brand-new Philips CDD6911, and I successfully burnt a 300mb rewritable with it on Windows 98 with NERO (I admit to not doing very many tests, sorry.). Catting /dev/cdrom on a normal CD didn't cause any errors. The machine is a Compaq EN Deskpro, PII/400 (Intel BX chipset.) with RH8.0 installed I'm supposed to "roll out" this machine at my mom's next weekend, so a speedy reply would be very much appreciated. Any thoughts? The following corresponds to the 2.4.19 run that failed, but other kernels fail similarly. Samples from /var/log/messages [2.4.19] Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: DMA disabled Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd1 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xc0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Oct 29 22:48:33 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Nov 2 01:23:52 oolong kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended sense 0 Nov 2 01:23:52 oolong kernel: sr0: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Nov 2 01:23:52 oolong kernel: sr00:00: old sense key None Nov 2 01:23:52 oolong kernel: Non-extended sense class 0 code 0x0 Nov 2 01:23:52 oolong kernel: hdd: ststatus=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 3 11:53:06 oolong kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0. Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 1944, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 1944) timed out - resetting Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0. Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 1944, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 1944) timed out - resetting Nov 3 11:53:07 oolong kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0. Nov 3 11:53:08 oolong kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 1944, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Nov 3 11:53:08 oolong kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 1944) timed out - resetting [2.4.20rc1] Nov 3 17:59:54 oolong kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 480, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: DMA disabled Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xc0 { Busy } Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0x90 { Busy } Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: ide-scsi: Strange, packet command initiated yet DRQ isn't asserted Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Nov 3 18:00:00 oolong kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command Nov 3 18:00:01 oolong kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Cdrecord 1.11a39 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 J,bv(Brg Schilling. (I believe the flags were -speed=12 -dev 0,0,0 -blank=fast): scsidev: '0,0,0' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Cdrecord 1.11a39 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 J,bv(Brg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info : 'PHILIPS ' Identifikation : 'CDD6911 ' Revision : 'B1.0' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-2 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P RAW/R16 RAW/R96R Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 12 in real TAO mode for single session. versions: Linux oolong 2.4.20-rc1 #8 zo nov 3 19:13:09 WET 2002 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Gnu C 3.2 Gnu make 3.79.1 util-linux 2.11r mount 2.11r modutils 2.4.18 e2fsprogs 1.27 jfsutils 1.0.17 reiserfsprogs 3.6.2 pcmcia-cs 3.1.31 PPP 2.4.1 isdn4k-utils 3.1pre4 Linux C Library 2.2.93 Dynamic linker (ldd) 2.2.93 Procps 2.0.7 Net-tools 1.60 Kbd 1.06 Sh-utils 2.0.12 no modules loaded cpu: processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 5 model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping : 2 cpu MHz : 397.957 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr bogomips : 794.62 PCI 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR+ 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B+ 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 30) Subsystem: 3Com Corporation 3C905B Fast Etherlink XL 10/100 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- 00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2064W [Millennium] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- [disabled] [size=64K] 00:14.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xed880, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent Unknown bridge resource 1: assuming transparent Unknown bridge resource 2: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/7110] at 00:14.0 Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd Journalled Block Device driver loaded Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de). parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] parport0: irq 7 detected PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:10.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:14.2 matroxfb: Matrox Millennium (PCI) detected matroxfb: MTRR's turned on matroxfb: 1280x1024x16bpp (virtual: 1280x1638) matroxfb: framebuffer at 0x40800000, mapped to 0xc8812000, size 4194304 Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x64 fb0: MATROX VGA frame buffer device pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A lp0: using parport0 (polling). Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev a1 PIIX4: chipset revision 1 PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x20a0-0x20a7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x20a8-0x20af, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:DMA hda: WDC AC26400R, ATA DISK drive hdd: PHILIPS CDD6911, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: 12594960 sectors (6449 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=833/240/63, UDMA(33) ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0e.0 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html 00:0e.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x2000. Vers LK1.1.16 PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 PPP Deflate Compression module registered PPP BSD Compression module registered Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 96M agpgart: Detected Intel 440BX chipset agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0x44000000 [drm] Initialized tdfx 1.0.0 20010216 on minor 0 [drm] AGP 0.99 on Intel 440BX @ 0x44000000 64MB [drm] Initialized radeon 1.1.1 20010405 on minor 1 ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: PHILIPS Model: CDD6911 Rev: B1.0 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 12x/12x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996 sb: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones... YM3812 and OPL-3 driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen, Rob Hooft 1993-1996 Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] usb.c: registered new driver hub uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:14.2 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:10.0 uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x2080, IRQ 11 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb.c: registered new driver usbscanner scanner.c: 0.4.6:USB Scanner Driver NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 1024 buckets, 8Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 16384) NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. ds: no socket drivers loaded! EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: recovery complete. EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 152k freed EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.17, 10 Jan 2002 on ide0(3,2), internal journal Adding Swap: 158720k swap-space (priority -1) kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.17, 10 Jan 2002 on ide0(3,5), internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. mtrr: 0x40800000,0x800000 overlaps existing 0x40800000,0x400000 kernel config: CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_M686=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=5 CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_PARPORT=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_CML1=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096 CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_STROKE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y CONFIG_SR_EXTRA_DEVS=2 CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=y CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX=y CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=4 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=32 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYNC=20 CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y CONFIG_EL3=y CONFIG_VORTEX=y CONFIG_NET_PCI=y CONFIG_EEPRO100=y CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=y CONFIG_8139CP=y CONFIG_8139TOO=y CONFIG_PPP=y CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=y CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=y CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS=y CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_PRINTER=y CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_I810=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_DRM=y CONFIG_DRM_NEW=y CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=y CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y CONFIG_JBD=y CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_TMPFS=y CONFIG_RAMFS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_ZISOFS=y CONFIG_MINIX_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_NFS_FS=y CONFIG_NFSD=y CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_ZISOFS_FS=y CONFIG_ZLIB_FS_INFLATE=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="iso8859-1" CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX_MILLENIUM=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB8=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB24=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB32=y CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=y CONFIG_SOUND_SB=y CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=y CONFIG_USB=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=y CONFIG_USB_SCANNER=y CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | hanwen@cs.uu.nl | http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hanwen - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/