Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753464AbaBPTya (ORCPT ); Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:54:30 -0500 Received: from nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.26]:33148 "EHLO nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753280AbaBPTy2 convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:54:28 -0500 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 527733.55966.bm@omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MaXh1X0M4V9TCilBttXOlQZMDXg+JGBIgB3EoOsREiCBOZjj7LXuDN/E4OwW+wfejJpa5PZpggGduy+rRfSD6un0/E5PlftDAIfPLUOglRN0a8bp3ptwvC3HfTsQJ0ouaDY0r5XpbnReEoc/Q6d2ilpGA9JRka4s9KAgSpJzLbs=; X-YMail-OSG: n.uiJk4VM1mfYw6aNW4Cz1xEaWGdwDvMBYpncs.EtuQrEnB 26LkwR0oNpZ2GEr_T8pA1y5DQlNrAdqSMsYYiLm5VVZCfRWfT8FUDGQpp067 AxONpSuzWAVqjPwhO9BM3zNZzl9Q4gnH_LYycw3jefo19__HvKkFEoSeuHvo WrWHbMYdbj4KTUbOUSS3QhB5ljNM7Mf_2e1.vBtcnWmo8CCVN80txo_qUZs1 GDWKGVKMcZM86ffZc8Lu6F9gFmHXlbBmMFmg5I_70qFHOna8AwOVr7VApgrA alMINuXgFVTevbgLjxi5a36hl.aTEgQFTGp0pvlHEh1WZzzJnj.89nGbCBlM jUY9E9POAKfRj58mQVk2iSPoru85KNuZ2jxCjswpNSRXeKpGc9J9X0qwpbdT SMQLK7FgH3ItOy_aPkmzkCGdawQMO6MpdEF0jg4O.8rtiUV0zffbvmS9jJDn 4ruHTIc_qtTZK1tjscweze2M0KgDn3ZPvd63B8MB.fN_gMN.9_xcQGUX4sAK M0wc3do7ceQ.0PXTp6.JA4cGEcgataNWlEEaQQEvDF9b_UQAA.CibuGQXW3A 8Ehd7rqNxuZs2FBpTWfnH_CcJ_jb7iBv11O7ThQ4YEFr6za51TsIL7bskI0Y d9cRDnKssqEtbL8tMDf.Sz6ipkoURc0IIj7JZMD20Sif0xkn5gX6AgMibLaE fmZk- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,QXMgZmFyIGFzIEkndmUgaGVhcmQgb25seSBhIGZldyBwZW9wbGUgaGF2ZSBhY3R1YWxseSB2b2ljZWQgc3VwcG9ydCBmb3IgdGhhdCBiZWFjaGZyb250IHByb3BlcnR5Lg0KQXMgZmV3IGFzIDIwIHRvdGFsLg0KDQpEZWJpYW4gaGFzIGFsd2F5cyBiZWVuIHRoZSBzdGFibGUgZGlzdHJvLg0KQmVhY2hmcm9udCBpcyBub3QgdGhlIHJpZ2h0IHdheSB0byBnbyBmb3IgZGVmYXVsdCBkZWJpYW4uDQpOb3IgaXMgc29tZSBjYXN0bGUgb24gYSBjbGlmZiBvdmVyIHRoZSBiZWFjaGZyb250IGFyZWEuDQoNCkl0IGlzIG4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/424 YahooMailWebService/0.8.177.636 Message-ID: <1392580288.79173.YahooMailBasic@web141706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: ChaosEsque Team Subject: Re: Honestly, fork systemd To: redlynx@hush.com, Aigars Mahinovs Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "debian-devel@lists.debian.org" , debian-project@lists.debian.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org As far as I've heard only a few people have actually voiced support for that beachfront property. As few as 20 total. Debian has always been the stable distro. Beachfront is not the right way to go for default debian. Nor is some castle on a cliff over the beachfront area. It is not the correct decision. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/16/14, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: Subject: Re: Honestly, fork systemd To: redlynx@hush.com Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "debian-devel@lists.debian.org" , debian-project@lists.debian.org, "ChaosEsque Team" Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 5:21 AM On 16 February 2014 14:34,? wrote: > The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV. Nothing needs to be > done. > It is a rock on which to build. > Not a shifting sands. If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands between building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea or building on the sandy beaches of a popular costal town. Often it is easier to put in the work to drive down piles trought the sand down to bedrock and injecting some concrete where needed to form your own rock foundation rather than transport everything to that rocky island. And the end result for the users is a much more useful home. The choice in Debian has been made - we like the beachfront property. Help us make the best of it - investigate where the sand is weakest and inject concrete there, find the bedrock and drive some piles to it, add liquifaction protection where that is needed, be constructive. The house will be build here. If you can help its construction and help it be stronger - please help. If you are going to continue advocating not building here - please don't. That one is settled. I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few social grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do what I can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make Debian with systemd the strongest system it can be. I hope others will do the same. -- Best regards, ? ? Aigars Mahinovs? ? ? ? mailto:aigarius@debian.org ? #--------------------------------------------------------------# | .''`.? ? Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org)? ? ? ? ? ? | | : :' :???Latvian Open Source Assoc. (http://www.laka.lv)? ???| | `. `'? ? Linux Administration and Free Software Consulting???| |???`-? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???(http://www.aiteki.com) | #--------------------------------------------------------------# -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/