Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756047AbaBRPuJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:50:09 -0500 Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.33]:45658 "EHLO nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755016AbaBRPuH (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:50:07 -0500 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 135349.67101.bm@omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MSTMZcyBzL6kSQ0mdZY1RW7pyg9BRGXG76TsmtaTMZvoXm/PdX6SDIeOXSVPQsDdWXtgg5l4qdlZnbRXddUqMKV20gTKZJydvEDYPFD8Z1LgN3mSL+K72ZFqnHQODadBFFmQjMTE9qvHQxRqt2FGrZ5GuqAb59pm5cX+P1lj6vI=; X-YMail-OSG: FneWKKkVM1lzxf5fSdN9vPAinoQTE8s_yy6YQcJog0PpqVl YFOWe.BmvBbJ73ON_pmMt7rCbuH22js5fJIWTwRv25xIDxCuEPl2bv7248VX .UIJOI6T.9wFb0UrmpIQVQyVvyIsCFAIq3HNqtDSDSWxC4PdAxrSUugfv4b1 9A8bsjvIgC2E4SY5u7dySJqGawLdqzdG6O6W07.jhICwBfvBhAMA7DQOMtsu UEujyF.7bnHwNYzkRYEfu75T25b1GQCaZ0SSI.8ft7LU7Cm1NW2MH1Xe3kBs wDe73WufYz2SylyW0StCY_YErBUiXX5bb5bBFDx8NsgjphHIgZfli1IOXMus ElFsQxlTIV3bVA2OdIYc6VBfrg.FHZJBSPdsf21DNAEznHlVSNCK1seTzy9u UEoVJZblYa3aKGKUloMS4yLZ2jh.IKF.cFF_voc7GPxuW5LW1bv8a8X1M.us nyvVfVpH86g9oZwRnkvi_UF2YtIyLf6kZrXghW30clKVr59EBbHOkm15Rqtt Grve3fQVMn.7Z9Uiy6TRD2brtK81od3pvtdk_qUcoM6xqkQ-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SXQgc291bmRzIGFzIGlmIHlvdSBoYXZlIG5vdCBoZWFyZCB0aGUgZ29vZCBuZXdzOg0Kc3lzdGVtZC4NCg0KT3IgeW91IGhhdmUgbm90IGRpZ2VzdGVkIGl0IGVub3VnaDoNCnN5c3RlbWQuDQoNClN5c3RlbUQgaXMgdG91dGVkIGFzIGEgbmV3IHJlcXVpcmVkICJzb2Z0d2FyZSBzdGFjayIgZm9yIGxpbnV4DQphY2NvcmRpbmcgdG8gUG90dGVyaW5nICh3aG8gaXMgYSBkb3VjaGJhZyB0aGF0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBrZXB0IGF3YXkgZnJvbSBjb21wdXRlcnMNCmFuZCBvdGhlciBwZW9wbGUncyBwcmVzZW50YXRpb24BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/424 YahooMailWebService/0.8.177.636 Message-ID: <1392738441.89634.YahooMailBasic@web141705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: ChaosEsque Team Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? To: One Thousand Gnomes Cc: Borislav Petkov , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20140217152224.5e7c0187@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org It sounds as if you have not heard the good news: systemd. Or you have not digested it enough: systemd. SystemD is touted as a new required "software stack" for linux according to Pottering (who is a douchbag that should be kept away from computers and other people's presentations) and his followers. Gnome is requiring it, along with breaking compatability in libgtk (eventhough libgtk is the GIMP's library, gnome folks have decided to take it over) SystemD and gnome are embracing and extending everything. They are extinguishing unix-like linux on the ground. Their fans/employees/agents try to get systemd adopted exclusively in every distro. To force everyone into compliance. They are constantly constantly evangelizing systemd. Anyone who opposes them is a troll and they have them banned. They say if you don't like systemd etc, use mac or switch to bsd. This included the debian-devs. Lennart Pottering is the scumbag that is spearheading this. Redhat is the company. Fuck SystemD -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2/17/14, One Thousand Gnomes wrote: Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? To: "ChaosEsque Team" Cc: "Borislav Petkov" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Monday, February 17, 2014, 7:22 AM > And maybe make a statement that linux is NOT systemd, there is no > new "linux software stack" that pottering and friends keep insisting on. The largest Linux user is Android, which I don't think uses systemd. The kernel does not care. You can use emacs as your init for all the kernel cares and handle all your udev messages in emacs lisp. The kernel does not care. Indeed if the kernel did care about whether someone used systemd, forked Debian or wanted to run emacs lisp as their init then it would mean the architecture was wrong. It's simply not the kernel's problem what people run as init and if Debian wishes to divide into two distributions (Deb and Ian perhaps...) then this is the wrong list for that debate. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/