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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 20:39:27 +0300
From: Stratos Karafotis <stratosk@semaphore.gr>
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To: Doug Smythies <dsmythies@telus.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Fix rounding of core_pct
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On 13/06/2014 09:49 πμ, Doug Smythies wrote:
> On 2014.06.12 13:03 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 05:35:59 PM Stratos Karafotis wrote:
>>> On 12/06/2014 12:15 πμ, Doug Smythies wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014.06.11 13:20 Stratos Karafotis wrote:
>>>>> On 11/06/2014 06:02 μμ, Doug Smythies wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2104.06.11 07:08 Stratos Karafotis wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/06/2014 04:41 μμ, Doug Smythies wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The intent was only ever to round properly the pseudo floating point result of the divide.
>>>>>>> It was much more important (ugh, well 4 times more) when FRACBITS was still 6, which also got changed to 8 in a recent patch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This rounding was very recently added.
>>>>>>> As far as I can understand, I don't see the meaning of this rounding, as is.
>>>>>>> Even if FRAC_BITS was 6, I think it would have almost no improvement in
>>>>>>> calculations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I had not seen this e-mail when I wrote a few minutes ago:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may be correct.
>>>>>> If Dirk agrees, I will re-analyse the entire driver for rounding effects soon.
>>>>>> When FRACBITS was 6 there were subtle cases where the driver would get stuck, and not make a final pstate change, with the default PID gains.
>>>>>> Other things have changed, and the analysis needs to be re-done.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Could you please elaborate a little bit more what we need these 2 lines below?
>>>>>
>>>>>        if ((rem << 1) >= int_tofp(sample->mperf))
>>>>>                core_pct += 1;
>>>>>
>>>>> Because nothing is mentioned for them in commit's changelog.
>>>>> Do we need to round core_pct or not?
>>>>> Because if we try to round it, I think this patch should work.
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned originally, they are there just to round the pseudo floating number, not the integer portion only.
>>>> Let us bring back the very numbers you originally gave and work through it.
>>>>
>>>> aperf = 5024
>>>> mperf = 10619
>>>>
>>>> core_pct = 47.31142292%
>>>> or 47 and 79.724267 256ths
>>>> or to the closest kept fractional part 47 and 80 256ths
>>>> or 12112 as a pseudo float.
>>>> The maximum error with this rounding will be 1 part in 512 and symmetric instead of the 1 part in 256 always in one direction without.
>>>>
>>>> Now if FRACBITS was still 6:
>>>> core_pct = 47.31142292%
>>>> or 47 and 19.931 64ths
>>>> or to the closest kept fractional part 47 and 20 64ths
>>>> or 3028 as a pseudo float.
>>>> The maximum error with this rounding will be 1 part in 128 and symmetric instead of the 1 part in 64 (1.6% !!!) always in one direction without.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it helps. Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> But please note that the maximum error without this rounding will be 1.6% _only_
>>> in fractional part. In the real number it will be much smaller:
> 
> Fair comment. Thanks.
> 
>>>
>>> 47.19 instead of 47.20
>>>
>>> And using FRAC_BITS 8:
>>>
>>> 47.79 instead of 47.80
>>>
> 
> I really wouldn't write it that way, as I find it misleading. It is really 47 and 19 256ths...
> Anyway, I think we all understand.
> 
>>> This is a 0.0002% difference. I can't see how this is can affect the calculations
>>> even with FRAC_BITS 6.
> 
> O.K. The solution is overkill and div_u64 could have been used instead of div_u64_rem.
> On my list, it is the lowest of priorities.
> 
>>>
>>> Another thing is that this algorithm generally is used to round to the
>>> nearest integer. I'm not sure if it's valid to apply it for the rounding of
>>> the fractional part of fixed point number.
> 
> I'm not sure how to reply, a pseudo floating point number is just an integer.
> 
>> Depending on the original reason, it may or may not be.
> 
> The original reason for that overall code patch was to address the possible overflow of the math, which (as far I know and have tested) it does.
> I think we have gone down a bit of rat hole here in terms of the detail.
> 

Hi Doug,

I'm sorry if I pushed it too far.
But sometimes many small details could make the difference.
At least we finally agreed to something! :-)

Thanks for your time and for your comments!
Stratos


P.S. Talking about small details and with a sense of humor (I hope)
I present some roughly estimates about the tiny change (the 2-3 lines
removal).

Let's assume that this code needs 100 CPU cycles to run.

In a full active core, at a sampling rate 10ms, the code runs
8,640,000 times/day and if we suppose that the core will be 90%
of the day inactive, it needs 86,400,000 CPU cycles/day.

If the CPU runs in a typical 2GHz freq the code will need
0.0432 secs to be executed (per day). With a 15W avg power
consumption we need 0,648 Joules/day per core.

In a typical quad core PC we need 2.592 Joules/day or
946,08 Joules/year.

I read that there are 2 billion PCs in the planet.
Assuming that 1.5% of them running Linux and 50% of them
will use this driver, the code will run on 30,000,000 PCs.

So, we need:
14,191,200,000 Joules/year = 3,942 KWh

And:
3,942 KWh * 2.3 = 9,066 lb CO2 = 4,112 Kg CO2

Thus, removing these 2 lines we will reduce the global CO2 emissions
by 4,112 Kg! :-)


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