Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753928AbaGPWxS (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:53:18 -0400 Received: from v094114.home.net.pl ([79.96.170.134]:61598 "HELO v094114.home.net.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1752261AbaGPWxQ (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:53:16 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Patrik Fimml Cc: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Dmitry Torokhov , Benson Leung , linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Power-managing devices that are not of interest at some point in time Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 01:11:31 +0200 Message-ID: <5611777.bNi5p029gt@vostro.rjw.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.11.5 (Linux/3.16.0-rc5+; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20140716013206.GA13409@google.com> References: <20140716013206.GA13409@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 06:32:06 PM Patrik Fimml wrote: > (Re-sending with correct mailing list addresses.) > > Hi, > > When the lid of a laptop is closed, certain devices can no longer > provide interesting input or will even produce bogus input, such as: > > - input devices: touchscreen, touchpad, keyboard > - sensors: ambient light sensor, accelerometer, magnetometer > - a video camera mounted on the lid > - display backlight > > Various workarounds cover some of these cases, and we have some ugly > hacks in ChromeOS to make things work. It would be nice if a userspace > power management daemon could listen to the lid-close event, and then > have a way to temporarily power off these devices, potentially through > sysfs. > > I've been discussing this with Dmitry and Benson (cc'd), and we've been > wondering whether we could come up with a generic solution that could > benefit multiple device classes. > > There's some overlap with runtime PM here. The action to be taken in > such a situation would probably be similar to a runtime suspend. The > match is not perfect though, since devices with more than two power > states might want to enter different states depending on the situation. > > It's somewhat difficult to get the semantics right, since handles to > such devices might still be open. It might be easier to implement > behavior specific to device classes. On the other hand, it would be nice > to have a uniform way of shutting devices down, and not introduce > another possible path for a device to enter a power-saving state. > > Rafael, can you give us your opinion on this? Let me try to understand the scenario in the first place. To start with, a number of devices is in use (that is, open, there are applications listening/talking to them etc). Now, an event happens, such as a laptop lid close and you want some of those devices, but possibly not all of them, to quiesce themselves and go into low-power states. Is that correct? Rafael -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/