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To: "Joseph D. Wagner" <wagnerjd@prodigy.net>
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Subject: Re: is KERNEL developement finished, yet ???
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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:15:41 +0100
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"Joseph D. Wagner" <wagnerjd@prodigy.net> writes:

|> > if you're implying that we can start once
|> > again from bottom, and come up with something
|> > better that unix (which has been opensource,
|> > around for long while, tested and developed
|> > by many as well) I _HIGHLY_ doubt, and disagree.
|> 
|> Yes and no.
|> 
|> Unix (and Linux) developers are far too concerned with clinging to the
|> 30-year-old outdated POSIX standard, which creates numerous problems when
|> trying to advance new features.  For example, the POSIX standard is the
|> reason we have the three-by-three secure permissions on files (three users:
|> owner, group, everyone; three permissions: read, write, execute) instead of
|> Access Control Lists (ACL's).

POSIX is only codifying existing practice.  Would there have been a decent
and agreed-upon ACL API in Unix 10 years ago, POSIX would surely have
standardized it.

Andreas.

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