Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:23:22 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:23:21 -0500 Received: from pc2-cwma1-4-cust86.swan.cable.ntl.com ([213.105.254.86]:5098 "EHLO irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:23:20 -0500 Subject: Re: 2.4.19, don't "hdparm -I /dev/hde" if hde is on a Asus A7V133 Promise ctrlr, or... From: Alan Cox To: "D.A.M. Revok" Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , support@promise.com In-Reply-To: <200212181703.18647.marvin@synapse.net> References: <200212181635.58164.marvin@synapse.net> <1040251122.26501.0.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <200212181703.18647.marvin@synapse.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 19 Dec 2002 01:11:51 +0000 Message-Id: <1040260311.26882.10.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 28 On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 22:03, D.A.M. Revok wrote: > Then I'm not buying Promise from now on. Period. > > Being non-able to both > boot-from-SCSI-CDR, and > use smartctl > is non-acceptable, and if their NDAs rig that then they are a threat > against /everything/ I base on my systems. > > Promise, your business-model damages your customer-relationship's > survival, are you listening Those kind of NDA's are quite normal. You'll see them elsewhere too. You get this maze of NDA's between vendors about hardware flaws. So promise might do a workaround for an ibm disk but have NDA's with IBM that says they can't tell people. (Thats an example I'm not saying there is a real IBM case) Ditto with AGP and AMD for example. They have magic fixup registers for timings, but won't tell us the fixups for various vendors cards (which is dumb because its not hard to find out in windows!) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/