Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934084AbaKSVRw (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:17:52 -0500 Received: from shards.monkeyblade.net ([149.20.54.216]:38900 "EHLO shards.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932587AbaKSVRt (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:17:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:17:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20141119.161744.1661940121298888832.davem@davemloft.net> To: torvalds@linux-foundation.org Cc: viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC] situation with csum_and_copy_... API From: David Miller In-Reply-To: References: <20141118212307.GU7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20141119.153136.867017618826698045.davem@davemloft.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.1 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.7 (shards.monkeyblade.net [149.20.54.216]); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:17:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Linus Torvalds Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:40:53 -0800 > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, David Miller wrote: >> >> But that is just my opinion, and yes I do acknowledge that we've had >> serious holes in this area in the past. > > The serious holes have generally been exactly in the "upper layers > already check" camp, and then it turns out that some odd ioctl or > other thing ends up doing something odd and interesting. > > If Al has actual performance profiles showing that the access_ok() is > a real problem, then fine. As a low-level optimization, I agree with > it. But not as a "let's just drop them, and make the security rules be > non-local and subtle, and require people to know the details of the > whole call-chain". > > Seeing a "__get_user()" and just being able to glance up in the same > function and seeing the "access_ok()" is just a good safety net. And > means that people don't have to waste time thinking about or looking > for where the hell the security net really is. Fair enough. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/