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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:35:22 +0300
From: Andrey Ryabinin <a.ryabinin@samsung.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/11] Kernel address sanitizer - runtime memory
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On 11/20/2014 12:03 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Andrey Ryabinin <ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've counted 16:
>>
>> aab515d (fib_trie: remove potential out of bound access)
>> 984f173 ([SCSI] sd: Fix potential out-of-bounds access)
>> 5e9ae2e (aio: fix use-after-free in aio_migratepage)
>> 2811eba (ipv6: udp packets following an UFO enqueued packet need also
>> be handled by UFO)
>> 057db84 (tracing: Fix potential out-of-bounds in trace_get_user())
>> 9709674 (ipv4: fix a race in ip4_datagram_release_cb())
>> 4e8d213 (ext4: fix use-after-free in ext4_mb_new_blocks)
>> 624483f (mm: rmap: fix use-after-free in __put_anon_vma)
>> 93b7aca (lib/idr.c: fix out-of-bounds pointer dereference)
>> b4903d6 (mm: debugfs: move rounddown_pow_of_two() out from do_fault path)
>> 40eea80 (net: sendmsg: fix NULL pointer dereference)
>> 10ec947 (ipv4: fix buffer overflow in ip_options_compile())
>> dbf20cb2 (f2fs: avoid use invalid mapping of node_inode when evict meta inode)
>> d6d86c0 (mm/balloon_compaction: redesign ballooned pages management)
>>
>> + 2 recently found, seems minor:
>>     http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1415372020-1871-1-git-send-email-a.ryabinin@samsung.com
>>     (sched/numa: Fix out of bounds read in sched_init_numa())
>>
>>     http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1415458085-12485-1-git-send-email-ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com
>>     (security: smack: fix out-of-bounds access in smk_parse_smack())
>>
>> Note that some functionality is not yet implemented in this 
>> patch set. Kasan has possibility to detect out-of-bounds 
>> accesses on global/stack variables. Neither 
>> kmemcheck/debug_pagealloc or slub_debug could do that.
>>
>>> That's in a 20-year-old code base, so one new minor bug discovered per
>>> three years?  Not worth it!
>>>
>>> Presumably more bugs will be exposed as more people use kasan on
>>> different kernel configs, but will their number and seriousness justify
>>> the maintenance effort?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, AFAIK there are only few users of kasan now, and I guess that
>> only small part of kernel code
>> was covered by it.
>> IMO kasan shouldn't take a lot maintenance efforts, most part of code
>> is isolated and it doesn't
>> have some complex dependencies on in-kernel API.
>> And you could always just poke me, I'd be happy to sort out any issues.
>>
>>> If kasan will permit us to remove kmemcheck/debug_pagealloc/slub_debug
>>> then that tips the balance a little.  What's the feasibility of that?
>>>
>>
>> I think kasan could replace kmemcheck at some point.
> 
> So that angle sounds interesting, because kmemcheck is 
> essentially unmaintained right now: in the last 3 years since 
> v3.0 arch/x86/mm/kmemcheck/ has not seen a single kmemcheck 
> specific change, only 4 incidental changes.
> 
> kmemcheck is also very architecture bound and somewhat fragile 
> due to having to decode instructions, so if generic, compiler 
> driven instrumentation can replace it, that would be a plus.
> 

GCC already supports address sanitizer on x86_32/x86_64/arm/arm64/rs6000,
and adding compiler's support for any other architecture is trivial.

Per-arch work on kernel-side maybe is not trivial, but there is nothing complex either.
It's much more simpler then kmemcheck.


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