Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:02:58 +0200
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for might_fault() when
 atomic
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:43:24PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> I recently discovered that commit 662bbcb2747c2422cf98d3d97619509379eee466
> removed/skipped all might_sleep checks for might_fault() calls when in atomic.

Yes.  You can add e.g. might_sleep in your code if, for some reason, it is
illegal to call it in an atomic context.
But faults are legal in atomic if you handle the possible
errors, and faults do not necessary cause caller to sleep, so might_fault
should not call might_sleep.

> Reason was to allow calling copy_(to|from)_user while in pagefault_disabled(),
> because otherwise, CONFIG_DEBUG_ATOMIC_SLEEP would find false positives.

That wasn't the only reason BTW.
Andi Kleen also showed that compiler did a terrible job optimizing
get/put user when might_sleep was called.
See e.g. this thread:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/14/652
There was even an lwn.net article about it, that I don't seem to be
able to locate.
So might_sleep is not appropriate for lightweight operations like __get_user,
which people literally expect to be a single instruction.


I also have a project going which handles very short packets by copying
them into guest memory directly without waking up a thread.
I do it by calling recvmsg on a socket, then switching to
a thread if I get back EFAULT.
Not yet clean enough to upstream but it does seem to cut
the latency down quite a bit, so I'd like to have the option.


Generally, a caller that does something like this under a spinlock:
        preempt_disable
        pagefault_disable
        error = copy_to_user
        pagefault_enable
        preempt_enable_no_resched

is not doing anything wrong and should not get a warning,
as long as error is handled correctly later.

You can also find the discussion around the patches
educational:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.kvm.devel/109928

> However
> we have the inatomic variants of these function for this purpose.

Does inatomic install fixups now?

Last I checked, it didn't so it did not satisfy this purpose.
See this comment from x86:

 * Copy data from kernel space to user space.  Caller must check
 * the specified block with access_ok() before calling this function.
 * The caller should also make sure he pins the user space address
 * so that we don't result in page fault and sleep.


Also - switching to inatomic would scatter if (atomic) all
over code. It's much better to simply call the same
function (e.g. recvmsg) and have it fail gracefully:
after all, we have code to handle get/put user errors
anyway.

> The result of this change was that all guest access (that correctly uses
> might_fault()) doesn't perform atomic checks when CONFIG_DEBUG_ATOMIC_SLEEP is
> enabled. We lost a mighty debugging feature for user access.

What's the path you are trying to debug?

If your code can faults, then it's safe to call
from atomic context.
If it can't, it must pin the page.  You can not do access_ok checks and
then assume access won't fault.

> As I wasn't able to come up with any other reason why this should be
> necessary, I suggest turning the might_sleep() checks on again in the
> might_fault() code.

Faults triggered with pagefault_disabled do not cause
caller to sleep, merely to fail and get an error,
so might_sleep is simply wrong.

> 
> pagefault_disable/pagefault_enable seems to be used mainly for futex, perf event
> and kmap.
> 
> Going over all changes since that commit, it seems like most code already uses the
> inatomic variants of copy_(to|from)_user. Code relying on (get|put)_user during
> pagefault_disable() don't make use of any might_fault() in their (get|put)_user
> implementation. Examples:
> - arch/m68k/include/asm/futex.h
> - arch/parisc/include/asm/futex.h
> - arch/sh/include/asm/futex-irq.h
> - arch/tile/include/asm/futex.h
> So changing might_fault() back to trigger might_sleep() won't change a thing for
> them. Hope I haven't missed anything.

Did you check the generated code?
On x86 it seems to me this patchset is definitely going to
slow things down, in fact putting back in a performance regression
that Andi found.


> I only identified one might_fault() that would get triggered by get_user() on
> powerpc and fixed it by using the inatomic variant (not tested). I am not sure
> if we need some non-sleeping access_ok() prior to __get_user_inatomic().
> 
> By looking at the code I was wondering where the correct place for might_fault()
> calls is? Doesn't seem to be very consistent. Examples:
> 
>                    | asm-generic | arm | arm64 | frv | m32r | x86 and s390
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> get_user()         |   Yes       | Yes | Yes   | No  | Yes  |     Yes
> __get_user()       |   No        | Yes | No    | No  | Yes  |     No
> put_user()         |   Yes       | Yes | Yes   | No  | Yes  |     Yes
> __put_user()       |   No        | Yes | No    | No  | Yes  |     No
> copy_to_user()     |   Yes       | No  | No    | Yes | Yes  |     Yes
> __copy_to_user()   |   No        | No  | No    | Yes | No   |     No
> copy_from_user()   |   Yes       | No  | No    | Yes | Yes  |     Yes
> __copy_from_user() |   No        | No  | No    | Yes | No   |     No
> 

I think it would be a mistake to make this change.

Most call-sites handle faults in atomic just fine by
returning error to caller.

> So I would have assume that the way asm-generic, x86 and s390 (+ propably
> others) do this is the right way?
> So we can speed up multiple calls to e.g. copy_to_user() by doing the access
> check manually (and also the might_fault() if relevant), then calling
> __copy_to_user().
> 
> So in general, I conclude that the concept is:
> 1. __.* variants perform no checking and don't call might_fault()
> 2. [a-z].* variants perform access checking (access_ok() if implemented)
> 3. [a-z].* variants call might_fault()
> 4. .*_inatomic variants usually don't perform access checks
> 5. .*_inatomic variants don't call might_fault()
> 6. If common code uses the __.* variants, it has to trigger access_ok() and
>    call might_fault()
> 7. For pagefault_disable(), the inatomic variants are to be used

inatomic variants don't seem to handle faults, so you
must pin any memory you pass to them.


> Comments? Opinions?
> 

If the same address is accessed multiple times, access_ok + __
variant can be used to speed access up a bit.
This is rarely the case, but this is the case for e.g. vhost.
But access_ok does not guarantee that no fault will trigger:
there's really no way to do that ATM except pinning the page.


> David Hildenbrand (2):
>   powerpc/fsl-pci: atomic get_user when pagefault_disabled
>   mm, sched: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() when atomic
> 
>  arch/powerpc/sysdev/fsl_pci.c |  2 +-
>  include/linux/kernel.h        |  8 ++++++--
>  mm/memory.c                   | 11 ++++-------
>  3 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
> 
> -- 
> 1.8.5.5
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