Return-Path: <linux-kernel-owner+willy=40w.ods.org@vger.kernel.org>
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand
	id <S264839AbSLaTC4>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:56 -0500
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org
	id <S264814AbSLaTC4>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:56 -0500
Received: from mail.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.131]:63198 "EHLO
	shell.webmaster.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP
	id <S264786AbSLaTCz> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:55 -0500
From: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <davidsen@tmr.com>
CC: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.63 (1077) - Licensed Version
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:11:18 -0800
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1021231095710.10544A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers?
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT
Message-ID: <20021231191120.AAA19490@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Content-Length: 1662
Lines: 37


On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:03:14 -0500 (EST), Bill Davidsen wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, David Schwartz wrote:

>>II don't expect anyone to GPL unless they think they get more benefit 
>>from
>>GPLing than the potential harm done. People GPL code because they want to
>>'donate' it to improve the open source movement, community, and code base.
>>Attempting to arm twist such donations is worse than foolish. You think the
>>open source community should be a bunch of bullies? Convince people open
>>source is best, and avoid them if they don't agree.

>Certainly anyone who has had a problem, posted an oops, and been told that
>no one will even look at a dump from a system with the nvidia driver might
>think they were being bullied...

	There's a difference between people thinking they are being bullied and 
being a bunch of bullies. ;)

	I would hope that the situation would be explained politely -- kind of like 
this:  "Unfortunately, with closed-source software, only someone who has the 
source code can debug it. If you can replicate the problem without any 
closed-source drivers, we'll do our best to help you. But if you can only 
replicate the problem with a closed-source module installed, odds are the 
problem is in that module, and even if it wasn't, we couldn't track it down."

	That doesn't really seem like bullying and helps to clarify the 
disadvantages of using closed-source software.

	DS


-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/