Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:44:26 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:44:26 -0500 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:9296 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:44:24 -0500 From: To: davids@webmaster.com, davidsen@tmr.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:51:50 +0000 Subject: RE:Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1041385910536" Message-ID: <087e22749010113DTVMAIL5@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3884 Lines: 89 --1041385910536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If i was a "bully" I would be getting what I want... Could this be corporate manipulation, now I know how apple feels. Dean. Three ways to kill yourself, and ive been drove in one... On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:11:18 -0800 David Schwartz wrote: --1041385910536 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.116.70.75]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:16:41 +0000 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:56 -0500 Received: from mail.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.131]:63198 "EHLO shell.webmaster.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:55 -0500 Received: from whenever ([206.171.168.130]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:11:20 -0800 From: David Schwartz To: CC: Linux Kernel Mailing List X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.63 (1077) - Licensed Version Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:11:18 -0800 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Message-ID: <20021231191120.AAA19490@shell.webmaster.com@whenever> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: linux-kernel-owner+Hell.Surfers=40cwctv.net@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:03:14 -0500 (EST), Bill Davidsen wrote: >On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, David Schwartz wrote: >>II don't expect anyone to GPL unless they think they get more benefit >>from >>GPLing than the potential harm done. People GPL code because they want to >>'donate' it to improve the open source movement, community, and code base. >>Attempting to arm twist such donations is worse than foolish. You think the >>open source community should be a bunch of bullies? Convince people open >>source is best, and avoid them if they don't agree. >Certainly anyone who has had a problem, posted an oops, and been told that >no one will even look at a dump from a system with the nvidia driver might >think they were being bullied... There's a difference between people thinking they are being bullied and being a bunch of bullies. ;) I would hope that the situation would be explained politely -- kind of like this: "Unfortunately, with closed-source software, only someone who has the source code can debug it. If you can replicate the problem without any closed-source drivers, we'll do our best to help you. But if you can only replicate the problem with a closed-source module installed, odds are the problem is in that module, and even if it wasn't, we couldn't track it down." That doesn't really seem like bullying and helps to clarify the disadvantages of using closed-source software. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ --1041385910536-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/