Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:09:23 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:09:23 -0500 Received: from cibs9.sns.it ([192.167.206.29]:531 "EHLO cibs9.sns.it") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:09:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:17:29 +0100 (CET) From: venom@sns.it To: Richard Stallman cc: mark@mark.mielke.cc, , , Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2687 Lines: 66 On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Richard Stallman wrote: > Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 02:50:23 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > To: mark@mark.mielke.cc > Cc: efault@gmx.de, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" > > Actually, since Linux is the kernel, and GNU/Linux (or GNU+Linux) is > the collection of tools that make the full system, > > That's almost correct, but not quite. GNU/Linux is the whole system, > the combination of GNU and Linux. err, excuse me, but where are XFree86 or KDE and so on? they are not included in the GNU, I suppose. So we should talk about Xfree86/KDE/GNU/whatever/Linux... too long... should we focus just on what is mandatory for a basic networked system? Basically, I could use a libc4/5 based system, withouth gcc and so on, with BSD inetutils and BSD fileutils (ls cp and so on), ksh anc csh as shells, and linux kernel. How should I call this system? (and I have also systems not running glibc right now, depending on when I installed them.) I can understand your reasons, and I can also agree with them, but I am quite impressed reading a nominalistic discussion on lkml, with almost the same argumentations and logical plant of medioeval nominalistic syllogismi. It is quite interesting, the story of culture is quite a wheel, and people mental attitude, storically, seems to be recurisive (not evolutionary). Luigi > > Many people think GNU is a collection of tools, because the best known > among the programs we developed for GNU are tools. We also developed > other programs for GNU that are not tools. But GNU is not just a > collection of various programs; it's an operating system which in 1992 > was mostly complete. (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.) > > it would be > *inaccurate* to say anything but "Linux" when talking about "Linux, > the operating system." > > The term "operating system" has sometimes been used with the same > meaning as "kernel", but nowadays when people speak of operating > systems they typically mean complete systems such as HPUX, Solaris, > Windows, MacOS, GNU, and GNU/Linux. > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/