Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:28:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:28:35 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.39]:23453 "EHLO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:28:34 -0500 From: "Scott Robert Ladd" To: , Cc: , , , , , Subject: RE: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:35:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2915 Lines: 64 Richard, I admire your staunch stand; I don't always agree with it, but I admire you nonetheless. I've been in the social justice business myself (and still am, to a new degree); it ain't easy. In fact, I burned out a while back, and decided to take a little rest. Five years is long enough for rest, I guess. > Making a program non-free is denying other people the freedom to > study, change and/or redistribute it. It is an act of domination. Quite true. nVidia wishes to maintain control -- to dominate -- the market for video cards. As such, they are reluctant to reveal details of their product which might be useful to a competitor. In a system that looks at benefit-loss in terms of dollars-euros-yen, there is no incentive for nVidia to open their drivers or provide proprietary information. Cash-strapped Universities accept corporate sponsorships, only to lose the freedom to publish new discoveries. Drug companies keep their research private, rather than combin efforts with other companies to produce better medicines. These same problems underly draconian laws that have twisted copyrights and patents into corporate "assets." From deforesting the planet to the fight for "GNU/Linux", it all comes down to one thing: corporate dominance of society. And Linux is the best thing that ever happend to GNU. Why? Because outside a few technorati "in the know", few people had *heard* of free software until Linux caught on. The term GNU/Linux is correct both technically and morally, but the *term* is less important than the theme. Linux has opened a door for the promotion of free ideals in the general population -- a truly remarkable event! Counterpoint: Linux would not exist without GNU. The relationship of GNU and Linux should be mutually symbiotic, not confrontational. Would you be happy if it were called Linux/GNU, for example? Or does GNU need to be first for some symbolic or emotional reason? The goal is not the self-promotion of GNU, but the advancement of intellectual freedom. Instead of being ignored by nVidia, they are meeting us part way -- and that's better than not meeting them at all! nVidia produce good hardware, and they provide a free (as in beer) driver that in turn attracts people to use Linux/GNU. Those people increase the audience that hears about the value of intellectual freedom, and they (assuming they *are* educated by us) put market pressure on nVidia to release free-as-in-freedom drivers. In other words, we use market forces to open windows of opportunity, through which we illuminate the masses who were unreachable before. Confrontation builds walls; wedges break them down. -- Scott Robert Ladd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/