Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:47:48 +0000
From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Jean-Francois Moine <moinejf@free.fr>
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        Kuninori Morimoto <kuninori.morimoto.gx@renesas.com>,
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 08:30:27AM +0100, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
> Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 07:34:56PM +0100, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:

> > > The simple card builder, 'dt-card' (maybe a better name would have been
> > > 'graph-card'), acts just like the simple-card except that it does not
> > > appear in the DT. Its creation is done by an audio controller.

> > Which audio controller?  There may be several CPU side audio interfaces
> > in the same card.  For example people often want to have both low
> > latency and high latency audio paths from the CPU into the hardware (low
> > latency tends to increase power burn).  SoC centric system designs do
> > sometimes also have PDM I/O, expecting to be directly connected to DMICs
> > and so on, which results in a relatively large number of CPU interfaces.

> The audio controller which creates the card depends on the complexity
> of the card. When there are many controllers, it is up to the designer
> to define either a master audio controller or to instantiate a 'card'
> device via the DT for doing the job.

So how does the simple controller interact with a more complex one given
that it's somehow picking some controller node to start from?

> > > Well, forget about this. I never clearly understood why some widgets
> > > and routes had to be defined at card level.

> > Please do try to understand the idea of representing simple components
> > on the board and analogue interconects between devices - it's really
> > important and not something that can be neglected.

> The problem is that this understanding would stay abstract: I have no
> such a hardware. Anyway, if the representation can be done with the
> simple-card, it may also be done with a graph of ports.

If you have a device with any sort of speaker or microphone, or any sort
of external connector for interfacing with an external device like a
headphone jack, then you have something that could be a widget.

> > That DT binding was done entirely in the context of video applications
> > IIRC, this is the first time it's been discussed in this context.

> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2014-January/070622.html
> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2015-January/086273.html

So there's been some in passing mentions, not really serious discussion
though...

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