Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:16:22 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:16:22 -0500 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:28371 "EHLO mail.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:16:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:23:30 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Richard Stallman , mark@mark.mielke.cc, billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Message-ID: <20030104222330.GA1386@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Richard Stallman , mark@mark.mielke.cc, billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net References: <20030102013736.GA2708@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102055859.GA3991@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102061430.GA23276@mark.mielke.cc> <20030103040612.GA10651@work.bitmover.com> <20030104220651.GA30907@merlin.emma.line.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030104220651.GA30907@merlin.emma.line.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2296 Lines: 49 On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 11:06:51PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > It's useful to have people around that think in other directions, they > make up for innovation. Linux is an offspring of such people's thoughts. Linux is a copy of Unix. There is very little new stuff in Linux. All of the innovation is built on top of a copy of a commercial work. To date, nothing remotely as influential as Unix has come out of the open source community. Sure, there are a ton of copies of existing work, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about new things. I keep coming back to this because some of you refuse to get it. It costs A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE NEW STUFF. Because we are stupid, we all make a lot of mistakes, we throw away those mistakes. The free software model doesn't generate 1/1000th of the money it would take to make progress continue at its current rate in the software world. Don't believe me? Cool. Go start a company, GPL your work, get back to me in 5 years and show me how well it worked. Other than distributions, where are those free software success stories? Oh, yes, Cygnus. They were doing about $25M/year or so when redhat bought them. Whoopee. And Red Hat, *with* Cygnus, is doing all of $80M/year. And we all agree that they are the leader in the free software financial success stories, right? Who's bigger? IBM? Let's see, spent $1B and by their own statements "almost have made that back". Hmm, running at a loss but going to make it up on volume. Now let's compare to some closed source companies: Company Factor more revenue than Red Hat Microsoft 370 Oracle 116 Sun 150 You get the idea. Sun makes more in 2 days than Red Hat makes all year. It doesn't even take Microsoft a whole day to make what Red Hat makes in a year. > This is exaggerated, but it might help stepping back and looking at the > WHOLE system. Indeed. Look over your shoulder. That's me, stepped way farther back than you. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/