Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:36:07 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:36:07 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]:41605 "EHLO fencepost.gnu.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:36:05 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: mark@mark.mielke.cc CC: billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-reply-to: <20030104011926.GB4472@mark.mielke.cc> (message from Mark Mielke on Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:19:27 -0500) Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers? Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <20030102013736.GA2708@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102055859.GA3991@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102061430.GA23276@mark.mielke.cc> <20030103075134.GA31357@mark.mielke.cc> <20030104011926.GB4472@mark.mielke.cc> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:44:38 -0500 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2161 Lines: 45 I have the freedom to use Linux and ClearCase. If closed source modules were to be disallowed, it would be illegal for me to use this configuration, and I would be forced to use HP-UX or Solaris, and not Linux. You can't have freedom while using ClearCase, because it is non-free software. What we really need is a free replacement for it. Will people write one? Our main influence on whether people do this is by what we say. A strong Free Software Movement will inspire more people to reject non-free software and write free replacements. Allowing non-free modules (whether they are open-source or not) weakens the impetus for people to make free extensions to Linux. The general attitude Linux developers take towards non-free software also weakens it. Your own message, citing this gap in Linux, will tend to discourage people from working to close the gap. All else being equal, I'm glad that you use a variant of the GNU system, but what system you use is not really important except to you. If you used HP-UX or Solaris, it would be your loss, not our community's loss. Spurring the broader development of free software should be higher priority than keeping you as a user. I'm saying that if you truly have a just cause, you don't need a hammer or a sickle to force people to see things your way. Intelligent people will have no choice but to follow your lead. Since our views have little in common with Communism, it is remarkable that our enemies sometimes call us Communists. Perhaps they do this because it is easier to attack Communism than confront our real views. It is the system of non-free software that resembles Stalinism. For more about this, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html. Visionaries should have faith in their own vision. Real visionaries know that just having a vision does not change society. Sustained effort is necessary. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/