Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:38:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Andre Hedrick <andre@pyxtechnologies.com>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
       Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux iSCSI Initiator, OpenSource (fwd) (Re: Gauntlet Set NOW!)
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Oliver Xymoron wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 06:47:43PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Andre Hedrick wrote:
> > > 
> > > Rik and Richard,
> > > 
> > > As you see, I in good faith prior to this holy war, had initiated a formal
> > > request include a new protocol into the Linux kernel prior to the freeze.
> > > The extention was requested to insure the product was of the highest
> > > quality and not limited with excessive erratium as the ratification of the
> > > IETF modified, postponed, and delayed ; regardless of reason.
> > > 
> > > Obviously, PyX had (has) on its schedule to product a high quality target
> > > which is transport independent on each side of the protocol.  We are not
> > > sure of this position because of the uncertain nature of the basic usages
> > > of headers and export_symbols.
> > > 
> > 
> > I suggest that if a function happens to be implemented as an inline
> > in a header then it should be treated (for licensing purposes) as
> > an exported-to-all-modules symbol.  So in Linux, that would be LGPL-ish.
> > 
> > The fact that a piece of kernel functionality happens to be inlined
> > is a pure technical detail of linkage.
> > 
> > If there really is inlined functionality which we do not wish made
> > available to non-GPL modules then it should be either uninlined and
> > not exported or it should be wrapped in #ifdef GPL.
> 
> More pragmatically, who cares? There's already at least one vendor
> (Cisco) who ships a perfectly good fully GPLed iSCSI initiator module
> that doesn't need to touch any core code. It's already the benchmark
> for compatibility at interoperability tests. And it's following the
> IETF drafts closely too. Once we actually have an iSCSI RFC, it might
> be worth pulling it into the kernel tree. I believe Red Hat is
> shipping it some form already.

If you know anything about iSCSI RFC draft and how storage truly works.
Cisco gets it wrong, they do not believe in supporting the full RFC.
So you get ERL=0, and now they turned of the "Header and Data Digests",
this is equal to turning off the iCRC in ATA, or CRC in SCSI between the
controller and the device.  For those people who think removing the
checksum test for the integrity of the data and command operations, you
get what you deserve.

> That leaves the question of using Linux as an iSCSI target, and I've
> yet to see any reason why this couldn't be done in userspace. In fact,
> in a lot of ways that's the right thing to do as it lets you take
> proper advantage of MD/LVM/EVMS/crypto, etc..

You go right ahead, and see if you can move at near wire speed.
Next try to support any filesystem regardless of platform.
Specifically anything Microsoft does to thwart Linux, I have already
covered.

> There are a few other free implementations out there too.

Please go use them and in two seconds my product can bring them all to the
ground with the full error injection tool kit from both sides.  My team
has gone through supporting every optional feature in the RFC draft as
manditory to remove any possible vendor unique opportunities.

There are grey areas in the RFC draft to support every corner case of
ERL=1 and ERL=2.

You figure out how to support the marker stream to perform a
Sync-and-Steering layer.

PyX is the second in the world to support Sync-and-Steering, and the first
to do it software only.

Please go for it, and you will spend at least 18-24 months to develop.

The target(erl=0) is what would be the second phase to open source, but I
see you and other want to do the hard way and that is fine.

In two week I will have NetBSD certified, and 4 weeks later should have
Solaris certifed.

Cheers,

Andre Hedrick, CTO & Founder 
iSCSI Software Solutions Provider
http://www.PyXTechnologies.com/

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