Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:59:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:59:19 -0500 Received: from falcon.vispa.uk.net ([62.24.228.11]:1801 "EHLO falcon.vispa.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3E1A1A2C.2000409@walrond.org> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 00:07:08 +0000 From: Andrew Walrond User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021020 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Andree CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Honest does not pay here ... References: <200301041809.KAA06893@adam.yggdrasil.com> <3E18B76B.8050803@cox.net> <3E18CC4D.1020604@cox.net> <20030106234116.GH10752@merlin.emma.line.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 34 Matthias Andree wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jan 2003, David van Hoose wrote: > > >>The impression I am getting from the GPL argument is that people want >>100% opensource drivers. Well, to be frank, I'd rather have a driver >>that isn't 100% opensource to no driver at all. I think most everyone on >>this mailing list agrees. If not, I'd like to know why. > > > You're at the author's mercy if you need to upgrade your kernel or if > the driver doesn't work for you. I'd rather know before buying a product > (modem, GFX board, ...) if there's either non-NDA'd documentation or > better an OpenSource driver or at least support for such. > Fine for us developers, but 99.5% of users wouldn't recognise a c function if it jumped up and bit them on the ass. If it doesn't say "linux supported" on the box, they won't buy it. Google? Source Forge? ./configure? WTFIT?. Where is their freedom? Until the manufacturers start providing good quality supported drivers for their hardware, binary or source, linux will stay exactly where it is now; a server room tool and a hobbyists playground. I for one think thats a real shame - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/