Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:48:50 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:48:50 -0500 Received: from mail.hometree.net ([212.34.181.120]:14280 "EHLO mail.hometree.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:48:49 -0500 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Path: forge.intermeta.de!not-for-mail From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" Newsgroups: hometree.linux.kernel Subject: Re: Honest does not pay here ... Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH Message-ID: References: <200301041809.KAA06893@adam.yggdrasil.com> <1041900676.20298.15.camel@sbarn.net> Reply-To: hps@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Host: forge.intermeta.de X-Trace: tangens.hometree.net 1041933445 14167 212.34.181.4 (7 Jan 2003 09:57:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:57:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Copyright: (C) 1996-2002 Henning Schmiedehausen X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2691 Lines: 52 Steven Barnhart writes: >On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:07, Andrew Walrond wrote: >> Fine for us developers, but 99.5% of users wouldn't recognise a c >> function if it jumped up and bit them on the ass. If it doesn't say >> "linux supported" on the box, they won't buy it. Google? Source Forge? >> ./configure? WTFIT?. Where is their freedom? >> >> Until the manufacturers start providing good quality supported drivers >> for their hardware, binary or source, linux will stay exactly where it >> is now; a server room tool and a hobbyists playground. >> >> I for one think thats a real shame >You are just being silly. Any half-decent person (including my grandma, >seriously!) can set up distributions such as Mandrake and now maybe even >Red Hat. The problem I see, especially here (but atleast normal people And that is exactly what most of the OSS advocates get wrong. They can't. My wife (which is a physician and my prime example here because she's in nuclear medicine and works with computers (Sun, Vax (sic!), Windows, MacOS) all day long at work and knows quite a bit about Unix) can't set up RedHat Linux, SuSE Linux, Windows 98, Windows 2000 or MacOS either. And I can't adjust a PET scanner which is trivial to her. It is simply not my area of work. And your grandma _can't_ set up Linux because when the first window pops up and asks about "workstation / server / laptop / custom" installation, she's lost. Because she does not _know_ what a workstation or a server is. She has a computer for surfing and text processing. Not a "work" station. Yes, looks trivial to you and me. But it isn't to your grandma. Most of the people advocating that "Linux is simple to use for everyone" never really tried to install Linux to "everyone" and then leave them alone just like most people do with Windows installations. Install Linux for your grandma, show her how to use it and then don't answer her phone calls for about two weeks. Rinse. Repeat with Windows. You will be surprised about the outcome. Rinse. Repeat with a non-english speaker and a localized version of Linux / Windows. You will be surprised even more. BTDTGTT. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH hps@intermeta.de Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 info@intermeta.de D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/