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To: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, "Rob Herring" <robherring2@gmail.com>
From: Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] clk: Provide an always-on clock domain framework
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:26:29 -0800
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Quoting Lee Jones (2015-02-25 07:48:08)
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Rob Herring wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org> wrote:
> > > Quoting Lee Jones (2015-02-18 08:15:00)
> > >> Much h/w contain clocks which if turned off would prove fatal.  The
> > >> only way to recover is to restart the board(s).  This driver takes
> > >> references to clocks which are required to be always-on in order to
> > >> prevent the common clk framework from trying to turn them off during
> > >> the clk_disabled_unused() procedure.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > >> +static int ao_clock_domain_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
> > >> +{
> > >> +       struct device_node *np = pdev->dev.of_node;
> > >> +       int nclks, i;
> > >> +
> > >> +       nclks = of_count_phandle_with_args(np, "clocks", "#clock-cells");
> > >
> > > Minor nitpick: please use of_clk_get_parent_count. I spent a solid 5
> > > minutes writing that function and I need people to use it so I can get a
> > > return on my investment.
> > >
> > > Otherwise the patch looks good. I believe that this method is targeting
> > > always-on clock in a production environment, which is different from the
> > > CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED stuff which typically is helpful while bringing up new
> > > hardware or dealing with a platform that has incomplete driver support.
> > 
> > There is also the usecase of keep clocks on until I load a module that
> > properly handles my hardware (e.g simplefb). We have a simplefb node
> > with clocks and the simplefb driver jumps thru some hoops to hand-off
> > clocks to the real driver. I don't really like it and don't want to
> > see more examples. And there is the case of I thought I would never
> > manage this clock, but kernel subsystems evolve and now I want to
> > manage a clock. This should not require a DT update to do so.
> > 
> > Neither of these may be Lee's usecase, but I want to see them covered
> > by the binding.
> > 
> > > I wonder if there is a clever way for existing clock providers
> > > (expressed in DT) to use this without having to create a separate node
> > > of clocks with the "always-on-clk-domain" flag. Possibly the common
> > > clock binding could declare some always-on flag that is standardized?
> > > Then the framework core could use this code easily. Not sure if that is
> > > a good idea though...
> > 
> > I would prefer to see the always on clocks just listed within the
> > clock controller's node rather than creating made up nodes with clock
> > properties.
> 
> > This should be always-on until claimed IMO, but that
> > aspect is the OS's problem, not a DT problem.
> 
> I disagree with this point.  There are likely to be many unclaimed,
> but perfectly gateable clocks in a system, which will consume power
> unnecessarily.  The clk framework does the right thing by turning all
> unclaimed clocks off IMHO.  This only leaves a small use-case where we
> need to artificially claim some which must not be gated.

I might have misread both of your mails, but I think you two are
actually in agreement. You both support a common property which lists
the always-on clocks inside of the common clock binding, no?

> 
> The other way to do is, as you mentioned is list the clocks which must
> stay on in the clock source node, but this will still require a
> binding.  It will also require a much more complicated framework
> driver.
> 
>     clkprovider@xxxxxxxx {
>             always-on-clks = <1, 2, 4, 5, 7>;
>     };

This should pose no burden on the driver. Since always-on-clks is in the
common clock binding it should be handled by the framework core. At
clk_register-time we can check for always-on-clks, walk the list and see
if we have a match. It's ugly O(n^2) but it works.

Thoughts?

Mike

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