Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:59:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:59:36 -0500 Received: from adedition.com ([216.209.85.42]:44812 "EHLO mark.mielke.cc") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:59:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:16:54 -0500 From: Mark Mielke To: David Schwartz Cc: Linux kernel list Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Message-ID: <20030112061654.GB15442@mark.mielke.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2724 Lines: 60 On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 08:19:32PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:33:25 -0500, Mark Mielke wrote: > > Why do I doubt the calibre of vxWorks? People I trust who work on > > RT systems have told me that in many cases, products with RT > > requirements can perform better on Linux, than on vxWorks. (Better > > meaning managing a higher capacity without significant side > > effects) > This is an atrocious way to compare a real-time operating system to > a non-real-time operating system. One would expect that real-time's > benefits also come at a cost, otherwise all operating systems would > be real-time operating systems. Atrocious how? My qualification "without significant side effects" means just that - *without* *significant* *side* *effects*. Note that I did not say web clients, but that below you assume web clients. I don't know about you, but I don't consider a web server to be an RT application. > Perhaps Linux can handle more web clients than vxWorks, but can > Linux guarantee that if the temperature in the core coolant exceeds > 350 degrees, the secondary pump circuit will be activated within 13 > milliseconds? If you truly wanted to fit the requirements you list above (350 degress, secondary pump activated in < 13 milliseconds), I suggest you use a hardware solution. I remain very optimistic that Linux+RT will be able to handle more capacity than vxWorks for the majority of RT applications. > A cheap hammer can drive in more nails than a top of the line > screwdriver. Any brand name hammer that is aggressively marketted, costs more to produce per hammer, than its competitors that may produce just as good of a hammer, without all the marketting costs. But... this has gone too far off a dead thread. You obviously like vxWorks. Quite a few people I socialize with curse vxWorks. That's your freedom and their freedom. I don't want to be part of this anymore. :-) (Private query: What does webmaster.com use vxWorks for?) mark -- mark@mielke.cc/markm@ncf.ca/markm@nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/