Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 00:33:30 +0200 (CEST)
From: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:

> Yes, it's an unfortunate design, but one that we are all stuck with 
> (think of it as having to implement code for horrid hardware that you 
> have to get to work properly.)  

Greg, I personally consider this a rather defunct analogy. Broken hardware 
comes from "outter space" we just have to live with somehow, and 
eventually try to gradually improve by working with vendors (and you 
yourself have of course made huge improvements in this very area).

Linux userspace is coming, well, from Linux developers. The sole fact that 
someone wrote a daemon that runs on Linux seems like a very poor 
justification for sucking the daemon into kernel "because we have to live 
with it". 
Userspace has to live with it somehow (and eventually fix itself if 
necessary), yes. Why should kernel just contribute to this "unfortunate 
design" if it really isn't, in any way, obliged or forced to do so?

Thanks,

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs
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