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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
From: Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 09:31:33 +0200
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On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 08:54 +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net
> > wrote:
> > > We had been there before.  To paraphrase another... meticulously 
> > > honorable
> > > person, "if you didn't want something relied upon, why have you 
> > > put it into the
> > > kernel?" Said person is on the record as having no problem 
> > > whatsoever with
> > > adding dependencies to the bottom of userland stack.
> > 
> > It appears that, if kdbus is merged, upstream udev may end up 
> > requiring it:
> > 
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html
> 
> Why so surprised?
> kdbus will be a major hard-dependency for every non-trivial userland.
> Like cgroups...

Heh, makes one wonder how we ever survived.

My openSUSE box is thoroughly infested with latest system-disease, and 
it seems the thing has now mandated group scheduling.  Whether you 
need/want it and its size large overhead or not is immaterial.  I'm 
not seeing an on/off switch anyway.

(shrug, axe should work as substitute, say "byebye tentacle").

        -Mike
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