Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753421AbbDOIox (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:44:53 -0400 Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org ([140.211.169.12]:32820 "EHLO mail.linuxfoundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751396AbbDOIon (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:44:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:44:40 +0200 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Borislav Petkov Cc: Al Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Arnd Bergmann , "Eric W. Biederman" , One Thousand Gnomes , Tom Gundersen , Jiri Kosina , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Daniel Mack , David Herrmann , Djalal Harouni Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Message-ID: <20150415084440.GF16381@kroah.com> References: <20150413204547.GB1760@kroah.com> <20150414175019.GA2874@kroah.com> <20150414192357.GA6107@kroah.com> <20150414192429.GC26075@pd.tnic> <20150414193229.GB6107@kroah.com> <20150414194004.GG889@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20150414194804.GB7540@kroah.com> <20150414195336.GG14069@pd.tnic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150414195336.GG14069@pd.tnic> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2336 Lines: 53 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 09:53:36PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 09:48:04PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > It's not going to stop anything from working, it's just going to stop > > some programs from being able to do things they really want to do (see > > the first email for examples.) > > Until it is made "mandatory" as Al said earlier. If you really don't like userspace using features the kernel provides you, well, there's nothing I can say that will change that odd feeling, sorry. If we don't want to make the metadata thing optional because everyone will end up always using it, great, we will go make that change, that's not an issue at all. It will then end up looking like the first proposal that was made many months ago :) > > Yes, we could make this live outside the kernel tree, but that's not the > > way we work anymore. > > > We merge things that are useful, that match our > > security and coding requirements, and are going to be maintained by > > people we trust. > > We trust? I'm not going to even comment on that. Really? Who in that MAINTAINERS file entry do you not trust? Seriously, if that's the issue here, please let me know. Do you not trust me? Daniel? David? Djalal? All of us have been long-time kernel developers and maintainers of other portions of the kernel stack that you rely on every day. If you have objections to any of us maintaining this code, let me know. Otherwise, stop making foolish statements. > And frankly, merging a useful piece of code sounds completely different > to me than this serious backlash I'm reading from the sidelines. I don't understand what this means. If you have a technical reason for why this code shouldn't be merged, great, please let me know and we can work to address that. Andy and Al have spent time reviewing and giving us comments, and that's wonderful and valuable and is why I treat their comments seriously. If you are interested in the code, please review it, otherwise I don't see what this adds to the conversation at all, do you? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/