Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756120AbbDOJbD (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:31:03 -0400 Received: from a.ns.miles-group.at ([95.130.255.143]:65275 "EHLO radon.swed.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753057AbbDOJaz (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:30:55 -0400 Message-ID: <552E2FCC.3050307@nod.at> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:30:52 +0200 From: Richard Weinberger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Borislav Petkov CC: Andy Lutomirski , Al Viro , "Eric W. Biederman" , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Arnd Bergmann , One Thousand Gnomes , Tom Gundersen , Jiri Kosina , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Daniel Mack , David Herrmann , Djalal Harouni Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 References: <20150413190350.GA9485@kroah.com> <8738434yjk.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> <20150413194217.GA10837@kroah.com> <20150413202233.GR889@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20150415084812.GG16381@kroah.com> <552E28C2.8070409@nod.at> <20150415092034.GA17680@kroah.com> <20150415092149.GB2310@pd.tnic> <20150415092713.GA17898@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20150415092713.GA17898@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 27 Am 15.04.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>>> We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox >>>> as userland. That's a fact. >>> >>> Is that a problem? >> >> I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-( > > Really? Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel > provides them? If not, why would the feature be created and supported > by us kernel developers in the first place? This IMHO not the problem. But if we add a new component to the kernel which *will* be used by almost every userland out there (systemd won the "init wars") we have to make sure that we're all fine with it. Andy and Eric have some very valid concerns. Thanks, //richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/