Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755498AbbDOJxt (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:53:49 -0400 Received: from a.ns.miles-group.at ([95.130.255.143]:65275 "EHLO radon.swed.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751705AbbDOJxl (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <552E3522.8030206@nod.at> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:53:38 +0200 From: Richard Weinberger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Kroah-Hartman CC: Borislav Petkov , Andy Lutomirski , Al Viro , "Eric W. Biederman" , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Arnd Bergmann , One Thousand Gnomes , Tom Gundersen , Jiri Kosina , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Daniel Mack , David Herrmann , Djalal Harouni Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 References: <20150413194217.GA10837@kroah.com> <20150413202233.GR889@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20150415084812.GG16381@kroah.com> <552E28C2.8070409@nod.at> <20150415092034.GA17680@kroah.com> <20150415092149.GB2310@pd.tnic> <20150415092713.GA17898@kroah.com> <552E2FCC.3050307@nod.at> <20150415094928.GA18535@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20150415094928.GA18535@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1887 Lines: 45 Am 15.04.2015 um 11:49 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:30:52AM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> Am 15.04.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman: >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>>>>> We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox >>>>>> as userland. That's a fact. >>>>> >>>>> Is that a problem? >>>> >>>> I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-( >>> >>> Really? Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel >>> provides them? If not, why would the feature be created and supported >>> by us kernel developers in the first place? >> >> This IMHO not the problem. >> But if we add a new component to the kernel which *will* be used >> by almost every userland out there (systemd won the "init wars") >> we have to make sure that we're all fine with it. > > Sure, but why would this be different from any other kernel feature that > we add? We have to be sure we are fine with everything we merge, as we > are saying we are going to maintain this stuff for forever. There is nothing different. The series has currently two NACKs, 0 ACKs and 0 Reviews. I don't think that any other series would get merged in such a state. >> Andy and Eric have some very valid concerns. > > I've tried to address Andy's concerns, Eric is not being very specific, > so there's nothing I can do there :) What about Stevens proposal to talk at Plumbers? I fear the discussion is at a dead end and needs a face to face resolution. Thanks, //richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/