Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:55:15 +0100
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 01:49:36PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > There is no comparison between the elegance of X11 property setting and a
> > chunk of proposed kernel code that is half the size of a tiny X server!
> 
> Hey, take that up with Havoc, he made the comparison :)

Let me get it straight - you swing the reference to his posting as damn nearly
the main argument, and yet you make _this_ reply when it gets questioned?
Seriously?

There's nothing wrong with "go read $PAPER, a lot of your questions are
addressed there", but only if you are ready to answer the questions and
objections from those who have read it.  "Hey, take that up with
$AUTHOR" doesn't cut it; try anything even remotely similar with e.g.
reviewers of academic paper and see where it ends up.

Havoc isn't submitting that thing; you are.  If you are not qualified to
defend your design and he is, try to talk him into doing that.

Frankly, the longer it goes, the less I like the picture.  It will be up to
Linus, of course, but IMO the whole situation seriously stinks. ;-/
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