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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:59:28 -0400
From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
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To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
CC: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
        One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
        "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
        David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
        Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
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On 2015-04-14 15:43, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 08:35:33PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 09:23:57PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>>
>>>> I agree.  You've sent a pull request for an unfortunate design.  I
>>>> don't think that unfortunate design belongs in the kernel.  If it sa=
ys
>>>> in userspace, then user programmers could potentially fix it some da=
y.
>>>
>>> You might not like the design, but it is a valid design.  Again, we
>>> don't refuse to support hardware that is designed badly.  Or support
>>> protocols we don't necessarily like, that's not the job of a kernel o=
r
>>> operating system.
>>
>> And no, "the sole consumer of that API knows better, so bend over" is =
not
>> a good idea.  We have shitloads of examples when single-consumer APIs
>> turned into screaming horrors; taking that in over the objections to A=
PI
>> design, merely on "they do it that way, who the hell we are to say the=
y
>> are wrong?" is insane.
>
> Again, in this domain, the design is sound.  So much so that everyone
> who works in that area moved toward it (KDE, Qt, Go, etc.)  We might no=
t
> think it makes sense, and it did take me a while to wrap my head around=

> it, but to call it "crap" is unfair, sorry.
>

The reason that 'everyone who works in this area' adopted is not as much =

that the design is sound (I'm not arguing whether it is or isn't in this =

case) as it is that none of them could come up with anything better.


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