Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756539AbbDOTEe (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:04:34 -0400 Received: from mondschein.lichtvoll.de ([194.150.191.11]:58785 "EHLO mail.lichtvoll.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752040AbbDOTEZ convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:04:25 -0400 From: Martin Steigerwald To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Borislav Petkov , Richard Weinberger , Andy Lutomirski , Al Viro , "Eric W. Biederman" , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Arnd Bergmann , One Thousand Gnomes , Tom Gundersen , Jiri Kosina , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Daniel Mack , David Herrmann , Djalal Harouni Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:04:18 +0200 Message-ID: <2319154.zZvkB0IXWm@merkaba> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.7 (Linux/4.0.0-tp520-btrfs-trim+; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; git-b05922a; 2015-04-12) In-Reply-To: <20150415114036.GB19274@kroah.com> References: <20150413194217.GA10837@kroah.com> <20150415094410.GB2282@pd.tnic> <20150415114036.GB19274@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1952 Lines: 51 Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2015, 13:40:36 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:44:11AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:27:13AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > > > > We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want > > > > > > to have busybox as userland. That's a fact. > > > > > > > > > > Is that a problem? > > > > > > > > I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-( > > > > > > Really? Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel > > > provides them? > > > > Userspace can do whatever it wants. As long as I'm not being *forced* > > to do what userspace thinks is the right thing. > > > > It seems to me that since that whole systemd* debacle started, we're > > forgetting the choice aspect. > > What "choice" aspect? Surely you aren't going to make the "Linux is > about choice" argument are you? > > > And dammit, I want my choice. I want to be able to choose what I'm > > running. Not run what someone else thought what would be good for me > > to > > run. If I wanted that, I'd long switched to windoze or ?bble. > > Oh crap, you went there :) > > Take a look at http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ please. Just one question: In what way is the post of a single kernel developer authoritative for the whole community? Even if I would make a poster of 200x100 meters or so and stick it onto a building, it wouldn?t be. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/