Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:16:59 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:16:39 -0500 Received: from pneumatic-tube.sgi.com ([204.94.214.22]:47927 "EHLO pneumatic-tube.sgi.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3A89ACF0.142CB71B@sgi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:53:52 -0800 From: LA Walsh Organization: Trust Technology, SGI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.2-pre1 i686) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: torvalds@transmeta.com CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: To Linus: kdb in 2.4? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I'm wondering about the possibility of re-examining the idea of a kernel debugger option distributed with 2.4. I'm thinking that it could be a great teaching tool to break and examine structures, variables, process states, as well as an aid to people who may not have a grasp of the entire kernel but need to write device drivers. It's easy for someone who's "grown up" with Linux to know it all so thoroughly that such a tool seems fluff. But even the best mechanics on new cars use complex diagnostic tools to do car repair. Sure there may be experts that designed the engine that wouldn't need it, but large numbers of people need to repair cars or modify them for their purposes. Having tools to aid in that isn't so much a crutch as it is a learning tool. It's like being able to look at the characters of the alphabet individually before one learns to comprehend the entirety of the writings of Buddha. Certainly Buddha doesn't need to know how to read to know his own writings -- and certainly, if everyone meditates and 'evolves' to their Buddha nature, they wouldn't need to read the texts or recognize the letters either. But not everyone is at the same place on the mountain (or even the same mountain, for that matter). In wisdom, one would, I posit, understand others are in different places and may find it useful to have tools to learn to read before they comprehend. Just my 2-4 cents on the matter... -- L A Walsh | Trust Technology, Core Linux, SGI law@sgi.com | Voice: (650) 933-5338 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/