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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:35:17 -0400
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Subject: Re: Interacting with coherent memory on external devices
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On 04/27/2015 03:26 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> DAX is about directly accessing memory. It is made for the purpose of
> serving as a block device for a filesystem right now but it can easily be
> used as a way to map any external memory into a processes space using the
> abstraction of a block device. But then you can do that with any device
> driver using VM_PFNMAP or VM_MIXEDMAP. Maybe we better use that term
> instead. Guess I have repeated myself 6 times or so now? I am stopping
> with this one.

Yeah, please stop.

If after 6 times you have still not grasped that having the
application manage which memory goes onto the device and
which goes in RAM is the exact opposite of the use model
that Paul and Jerome are trying to enable (transparent moving
around of memory, by eg. GPU calculation libraries), you are
clearly not paying enough attention.

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