Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S966309AbbD2OEO (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:04:14 -0400 Received: from a.ns.miles-group.at ([95.130.255.143]:65275 "EHLO radon.swed.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S966187AbbD2OEL (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <5540E4D9.6000007@nod.at> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:04:09 +0200 From: Richard Weinberger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Hoyer CC: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 References: <20150423163616.GA10874@kroah.com> <20150423171640.GA11227@kroah.com> <553A4A2F.5090406@samsung.com> <20150428171840.GB11351@thunk.org> <21824.5086.446831.189915@quad.stoffel.home> <5540D2F9.2010704@redhat.com> <5540DEEB.2060405@redhat.com> <5540E0C7.3050106@nod.at> <5540E432.9020606@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <5540E432.9020606@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1800 Lines: 44 Am 29.04.2015 um 16:01 schrieb Harald Hoyer: > On 29.04.2015 15:46, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> Am 29.04.2015 um 15:38 schrieb Harald Hoyer: >>> On 29.04.2015 15:33, Richard Weinberger wrote: >>>> It depends how you define "beginning". To me an initramfs is a *very* minimal >>>> tool to prepare the rootfs and nothing more (no udev, no systemd, no >>>> "mini distro"). >>>> If the initramfs fails to do its job it can print to the console like >>>> the kernel does if it fails >>>> at a very early stage. >>>> >>> >>> Your solution might work for your small personal needs, but not for our customers. >> >> Correct, I don't know your customers, all I know are my customers. :-) >> >> What feature do your customers need? >> I mean, I fully agree with you that an initramfs must not fail silently >> but how does dbus help there? If it fails to mount the rootfs there is not >> much it can do. >> >> Thanks, >> //richard >> > > We don't handcraft the initramfs script for every our customers, therefore we > have to generically support hotplug, persistent device names, persistent > interface names, network connectivity in the initramfs, user input handling for > passwords, fonts, keyboard layouts, fips, fsck, repair tools for file systems, > raid assembly, LVM assembly, multipath, crypto devices, live images, iSCSI, > FCoE, all kinds of filesystems with their quirks, IBM z-series support, resume > from hibernation, […] This is correct. But which of these tools/features depend on dbus? Thanks, //richard P.s: Please don't drop the CC list. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/