From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Harald Hoyer <harald@redhat.com>
Cc: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
        Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:28:49 +0200
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Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2015, 17:22:08 schrieb Harald Hoyer:
> On 29.04.2015 17:17, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
> > On 2015-04-29 11:07, Harald Hoyer wrote:
> >> Most of the stuff does not work without udev and something like
> >> systemd.> 
> > That's funny, apparently the initramfs images I've been using for
> > multiple months now on server systems at work which don't have
> > systemd, udev, or dbus, and do LVM/RAID assembly, network
> > configuration, crypto devices, multipath, many different filesystems,
> > and a number of other oddball configurations due to the insanity that
> > is the software I have to deal with from our company, don't work.  I
> > wonder how my systems are booting successfully 100% of the time then?
> Then you should probably open source your initramfs, so we can all
> benefit from it and use it for all distributions.

Do you really think that the tooling will make that much of a difference?

I think there will always be cases where a initramfs will not work until 
adapted to it. And then its nice, to be able to do things like this:

merkaba:~> cat /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/btrfs
#!/bin/sh

PREREQ="lvm"
prereqs()
{
        echo $PREREQ
}

case $1 in
prereqs)
        prereqs
        exit 0;
esac

. /scripts/functions

log_begin_msg "Initializing BTRFS RAID-1."

modprobe btrfs
vgchange -ay
btrfs device scan

log_end_msg


How would I add support for some configuration that a systemd or purely 
dracut + udev based initramfs does not support *yet*, on my own?

Yes, one can argue, why doesn?t Debian support it already, but heck, I can 
do it myself and report a bug about it, without having to fire up a C 
compiler in order to fix things. I may be able to do this myself, but at a 
much higher cost in time.

Above thing works so long already that I even often forgot about it.

That said, if I still get a chance to execute a script at some time, a 
dracut based initramfs may just be totally fine with it, but I want this 
possibility and a shell to fix things up myself it they go wrong. And while 
I do not get the need for having systemd in the initramfs at all, I might 
be fine with it, if I can fix things up myself in case of problems.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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