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Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 11:49:07 -0400
From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
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To: Harald Hoyer <harald@redhat.com>, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
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        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
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On 2015-04-29 08:47, Harald Hoyer wrote:
> Until then the whole common IPC problem is unresolved and Linux
> distributions are just a collection of random software with no common
> interoperability and home grown interfaces.
I don't know how I managed to not notice this comment before, but I find =

it particularly hilarious.
The part about 'no common interoperability' is just plain BS with the=20
exception of some of the insanity being touted by systemd advocates and=20
the insanity that is accessibility software on linux, you can easily=20
string together pretty much arbitrary strings of commands using fifo's=20
to achieve almost anything; the actual interoperability issues (WRT to=20
the command line at least, which is where all the stuff you are=20
complaining about works) come up only with stuff (like journald for=20
example) that just refuses to use text interfaces on the command-line.
Also, the 'home grown interfaces' you are complaining about are used on=20
every operating system (not just Linux or other Unix progeny) every day, =

and no amount of better IPC is going to stop that; furthermore, almost=20
every current 'standard' protocol or interface used on the internet=20
started out as a 'home grown interface' (TCP/IP immediately comes to=20
mind, followed shortly by NFS, SMTP, WebDAV, SSH, XML, JSON, and a whole =

slew of others).


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