Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:58:35 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from mars.mj.nl ([81.91.1.49]:6021 "HELO mars.mj.nl") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:58:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" From: Thomas Hood To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1042661316.1743.71.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 15 Jan 2003 21:08:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org RMS: This battle is lost. By continuing to complain about the use of "Linux" you are not only wasting your time; you are harming your reputation, too. Why? Because you are *wrong*, and yet you won't admit that you are wrong, but continue to reiterate your wrong opinion. This makes you sound like a fanatic. Your stubbornness has served you well in other causes (where you are closer to the truth), but is hurting you here. Let me explain how you are wrong. You say things like: > Calling the system "Linux" denies the GNU Project > credit for the GNU operating system. This is wrong. The use of a proper name does not commit the user to any particular characterization of what bears that name. I can use the name 'Linux' without in any way committing myself to a denial of the role of GNU in Linux. When I use the name 'Linux', I (usually) denote that collection of software consisting of GNU's tools, Linus's kernel, Ximian's MUA, etc. I do this without contradicting myself in the least. In philosophical jargon, proper names do not have connotations. To see, this, suppose I decide to start calling you "Mr. X". This may not be very polite of me, but it is not incorrect, so long as everyone understands whom I am referring to. So when you say that 'GNU/Linux' is a "just" name and 'Linux' is not, you are wrong. There is no such standard of justice. In your view, Linux is "the GNU system" with a Linux kernel added on. Fine. But it is wrong of you to imply that this is the only way to regard what you call 'GNU/Linux'. It is equally legitimate to regard it as Linux with GNU utilities added on. There is no objective standard for what constitutes a "system" or "the same system" in this context. You are wrong to imply that there is one. I am willing to entertain the proposition that the GNU project deserves greater recognition in Linux circles than it has received. But I want to warn you that quibbling over a name is a bad way to try to improve the situation. Doing so on the basis of bad arguments is doubly bad. Apart from that ... carry on the good work! -- Thomas Hood - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/