Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:19:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:19:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]:65168 "EHLO fencepost.gnu.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:19:51 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: mark@mark.mielke.cc CC: galibert@pobox.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dax@gurulabs.com, lm@bitmover.com, root@chaos.analogic.com, pollard@admin.navo.hpc.mil, R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl, jalvo@mbay.net In-reply-to: <20030114210845.GE15412@mark.mielke.cc> (message from Mark Mielke on Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:08:45 -0500) Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] RMS and reactions to him Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <20030114190600.GC19154@work.bitmover.com> <20030114200202.GG19154@work.bitmover.com> <20030114151938.A30371@kerberos.ncsl.nist.gov> <20030114210845.GE15412@mark.mielke.cc> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:28:44 -0500 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I have a mission, and the mission is free software. But I don't want disciples (the Church of Emacs is a comedy routine). What I seek is like-minded volunteers, people to join me in the fight against non-free software. It's not necessary for them to make me their leader; anyone who understands what we are fighting for can be a leader. The point is for them to go and fight the enemy. But, he shouldn't have to be. In the linux-devel newsgroups, the opinion that Linus was a pawn in RMS's master plan needs to be squashed. I agree with you. Linus was not our pawn, or anyone's, as far as I know. His decision to write a kernel was his own. GNU did have an influence on it; I read that he had been to a speech of mine in Finland. But we did not direct his activities. Be that as it may, his kernel, once written, filled the gap in the incomplete GNU system. Together they made a complete system which people could actually use. (For example, the average person who contributes to open source, has a non open source job that allows them and their family to eat, while contributing on the side) Most contributors to free software are part time volunteers, and most of those probably have jobs. There's nothing wrong with that. But this job need not be developing non-free software. It can be developing custom software, or it can be something other that programming. There are many ways to make a living. He removes this pride by making such claims as "the system that is now often called Linux is the system that I came up with in 1984." The people who worked on Linux, the kernel, have plenty to be proud of. They don't need to get credit for the GNU system too. Hundreds of people worked to build the GNU system before 1991. For their sake, I focus on what we did together, not on what I myself did. Calling the system "Linux" denies these people the basis for their pride. Calling the system "GNU/Linux" gives recognition to all of them, as well as to the people who have worked on Linux. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/