Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:43:48 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:43:48 -0500 Received: from 12-225-92-115.client.attbi.com ([12.225.92.115]:21632 "EHLO p3.coop.hom") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:43:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:52:31 -0800 From: Jerry Cooperstein To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] RMS and reactions to him Message-ID: <20030120165231.GA1301@p3.attbi.com> References: <009601c2bd1f$6f966bc0$e501a8c0@saturn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Blah Blah Blah... I normally stay away from these kinds of discussions, but I'm getting pretty tired of this one. It all reminds me of the 1960's and the anti-war (Vietnam) movement. Just two points: 1) At demos in Washington DC, with hundreds of thousands of folks, there were always groups of dogmatists standing around the edges selling their newspapers. These were mostly either Trotskyites hawking literature documenting their latest splits (which occurred on almost a daily basis) or various Mickey-Maoists dissecting in very fine print the latest speech from Enver Hoxha, the supreme fearless leader of Albania. Meanwhile tear gas was falling in the streets, many people were undergoing truly dramatic and unforgettable experiences and the world was changing. Real leaders were with the people in the streets, listening AND guiding. Some people think the highest form of struggle is between different closets. They wouldn't notice an earthquake if they were having an ideological debate. 2) A lot of folks were offended with Gillette introduced a 'revolutionary' razor-blade, or when the Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead etc. were picked up in the mainstream media, "Hair" opened on Broadway, etc. You can't control how people use words and being co-opted may be painful at times but it is a sign of success. My PhD advisor once told me when I stormed into his office in a funk because an idea of mine had been stolen without credit, something to the effect that as long as you have good ideas they'll get stolen. Your only defense is to keep generating more of them. Let's all get back to work and stop this .... -coop ====================================================================== Jerry Cooperstein, Senior Consultant, Axian, Inc., Software Consulting and Training 4800 SW Griffith Dr., Ste. 202, Beaverton, OR 97005 USA http://www.axian.com/ ====================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/