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Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:05:29 +0300
From: Mikko Perttunen <mikko.perttunen@kapsi.fi>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/15] thermal: thermal: Add support for hardware-tracked
 trip points
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On 05/19/15 16:58, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 02:09:44PM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
>> Hi Mikko,
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:06:50PM +0300, Mikko Perttunen wrote:
>>>> +	for (i = 0; i < tz->trips; i++) {
>>>> +		int trip_low;
>>>> +
>>>> +		tz->ops->get_trip_temp(tz, i, &trip_temp);
>>>> +		tz->ops->get_trip_hyst(tz, i, &hysteresis);
>>>> +
>>>> +		trip_low = trip_temp - hysteresis;
>>>> +
>>>> +		if (trip_low < temp && trip_low > low)
>>>> +			low = trip_low;
>>>> +
>>>> +		if (trip_temp > temp && trip_temp < high)
>>>> +			high = trip_temp;
>>>> +	}
>>>> +
>>>> +	tz->prev_low_trip = low;
>>>> +	tz->prev_high_trip = high;
>>>> +
>>>> +	dev_dbg(&tz->device, "new temperature boundaries: %d < x < %d\n",
>>>> +			low, high);
>>>> +
>>>> +	tz->ops->set_trips(tz, low, high);
>>>
>>> This should probably do something if set_trips returns an error
>>> code; at least an error message, perhaps enable polling? I'm not
>>> exactly sure what safety features the thermal framework has in
>>> general if errors happen..
>>
>> Currently a thermal zone has the passive_delay and polling_delay
>> variables. If these are nonzero the thermal core will always poll. A
>> purely interrupt driven thermal zone would set these values to zero.
>> In this case the thermal core has no basis for polling, so we would
>> have to make up polling intervals when set_trips fails. Another
>> possibility would be to interpret the *_delay variables as 'when
>> set_trips is available, do not poll. When something goes wrong, use
>> *_delay as polling intervals'
>>
>>>
>>> One interesting thing I noticed was that at least the bang-bang
>>> governor only acts if the temperature is properly smaller than (trip
>>> temp - hysteresis). So perhaps we should specify the non-tripping
>>> range as [low, high)? Or we could change bang-bang.
>>
>> I wonder how we can protect against such off-by-one errors anyway.
>> Generally a hardware might operate on raw values rather than directly
>> in temperature values in ?C. This means a driver for this must have
>> celsius_to_raw and raw_to_celsius conversion functions. Now it can
>> happen that due to rounding errors celsius_to_raw(Tcrit) returns a raw
>> value that when converted back to celsius is different from the
>> original value in ?C. This would mean the hardware triggers an interrupt
>> for a trip point and the thermal core does not react because get_temp
>> actually returns a different temperature than previously programmed as
>> interrupt trigger. This way we would lose hot (or cold) events.
>
> As a simple example we could imagine a 12bit adc which has:
>
> u32 mcelsius_to_raw(int temp)
> {
> 	return temp / 30;
> }
>
> int raw_to_mcelsius(u32 raw)
> {
> 	return temp * 30;
> }
>
> Now if the thermal framework requests an interrupt at 77000mC we
> would program a raw value of 77000 / 30 = 2566.666667, due to integer
> rounding we would program 2566. Now when the interrupt is triggered with
> this exact raw value we would convert it back to 2566 * 30 = 76980. The
> thermal framework would realize that this is below the threshold, do
> nothing and go back to sleep.
> I am beginning to think that implementing interrupts like this is not a
> good idea, at least I found no convenient way out of this situation.

Couldn't you just specify that the driver should do the best it can? 
That is, in this case, the driver would program the hardware for the 
least possible value x for which raw_to_mcelsius(x) >= 77000.

>
> Sascha
>

Cheers,
Mikko.

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