Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:05:16 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:05:15 -0500 Received: from [212.216.176.185] ([212.216.176.185]:29921 "EHLO smtp9.cp.tin.it") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:05:12 -0500 From: andrea.glorioso@binary-only.com To: Nicolas Pitre Cc: lkml Subject: Re: Monta Vista software license terms References: <87d6m6fx4c.fsf@topo.binary-only.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:13:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Nicolas Pitre's message of "Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:57:49 -0500 (EST)") Message-ID: <87wukeegu7.fsf@topo.binary-only.priv> User-Agent: T-gnus/6.15.7 (based on Oort Gnus v0.08) SEMI/1.14.4 (Hosorogi) FLIM/1.14.4 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Kashiharajing=FE-mae?=) APEL/10.4 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 12) (Portable Code) (i386-debian-linux) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3129 Lines: 66 Just a quick clarification before this thing explodes in another "ten thousan messages" thread. >>>>> "np" == Nicolas Pitre writes: np> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 andrea.glorioso@binary-only.com wrote: >> >>>>> "rl" == Robert Love writes: >> rl> Further, all of the source is available anyhow in various open rl> source projects. >> I failed to find any source for Montavista XIP implementation, >> which they claim they have put on their "Consumer Electronics" >> release. np> Hey, it's one of my many duties to release this XIP code to np> the community. In other words, Monta Vista do actually pay me np> to give that source away. That's wonderful (no kidding). np> It's just not up to the cleanliness level I expect of np> community source even if customers usually don't care, and I np> didn't have time to clean it up yet. But if you really insist np> I can give you a raw patch. It would be quite interesting for me, sincerely. Feel free to send me the patch if you can. np> I find it quite saddening that a lot of people only care about np> making up shit while the company in question is devoting a lot np> of money in salary to hire kernel developers full time whose np> work has always been merged to community trees so far. As far as I'm concerned, I just wrote: - that Montavista claims they implemented XIP as part of their "Consumer Electronics Edition" package; - that source code is included in Montavista preview kit, but that I couldn't find any XIP reference in it; - that probably XIP is a part of the CEE edition but *not* of the preview kit, hence the lack of source code for that specific part in the ISO I downloaded; incidentally, that also means that right now I'm not entitled to have source code for Montavista XIP implementation (and I stated that clearly); I personally don't have anything against Montavista, and I think they're doing a good work (I know that you have to balance between distributing source code and having your old-minded customers run away in fear). I still think that having an encrypted ISO image is pure brain damage, because it doesn't buy Montavista anything as far as I can tell and it just slows down casual observers - which, by the way, are the kind of people Montavista is supposed to attract. :) Let's straighten out this issue. Maybe a public development tree of Montavista kernels, with a big red flag saying "don't use this on production systems" would be enough. Best regards, -- Andrea Glorioso andrea.glorioso@binary-only.com Binary Only http://www.binary-only.com/ Via A. Zanolini, 7/b Tel: +39-348.921.43.79 40126 Bologna Fax: +39-051-930.31.133 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/