Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932454AbbGJNlx (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:41:53 -0400 Received: from atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ([195.113.26.193]:34507 "EHLO atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932370AbbGJNlp (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:41:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:41:41 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: John Stoffel Cc: Linus Torvalds , Arjan van de Ven , Andy Lutomirski , the arch/x86 maintainers , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Oleg Nesterov , Kees Cook , Peter Zijlstra , Borislav Petkov , Austin S Hemmelgarn , Brian Gerst , Matthew Garrett Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/kconfig/32: Make CONFIG_VM86 default to n and remove EXPERT Message-ID: <20150710134140.GA27233@amd> References: <559EC297.3030901@linux.intel.com> <21918.52899.989624.140180@quad.stoffel.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21918.52899.989624.140180@quad.stoffel.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1806 Lines: 41 On Thu 2015-07-09 15:42:27, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds writes: > > Linus> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > >> > >> I would rather do BOTH the default n AND the EXPERT > > Linus> That basically makes it impossible for "normal people" to test it. You > Linus> have to mark yourself as expert, and then get the rest of the > Linus> configuration right. Not a good idea. > > Linus> The kernel config is probably our biggest problem for getting > Linus> people to test. Building the kernel? Easy. Installing it? "make > Linus> install; make modules_install". Not that hard, unless your > Linus> distro has screwed it up (which has happened, I'm looking at > Linus> you, Ubuntu). > > The big problem with the kernel config is the piles and piles of crap > which makes finding the common cases really really hard, and I've been > following this list and building kernels off and on now for 12+ > years. And you are lucky not to work on embedded stuff. If I lost configs for n900, I'd probably not be able to come with something working... Given that we already have device trees... it would be nice to separate real config *options* (like do you want penguin logo on console? How big font?) from options you need to get right to get useful hardware configuration, and parse the later ones from dts.. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/