Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:02:31 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:02:31 -0500 Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.12]:35127 "EHLO mailhost.iprg.nokia.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:02:29 -0500 X-mProtect: <200302112312> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Subject: Re: stochastic fair queueing in the elevator [Re: [BENCHMARK] 2.4.20-ck3 / aa / rmap with contest] From: Rod Van Meter Reply-To: Rod.VanMeter@nokia.com To: ext Rik van Riel Cc: Andrew Morton , Nick Piggin , andrea@suse.de, reiser@namesys.com, jakob@unthought.net, david.lang@digitalinsight.com, ckolivas@yahoo.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@suse.de In-Reply-To: References: <3E47579A.4000700@cyberone.com.au> <20030210080858.GM31401@dualathlon.random> <20030210001921.3a0a5247.akpm@digeo.com> <20030210085649.GO31401@dualathlon.random> <20030210010937.57607249.akpm@digeo.com> <3E4779DD.7080402@namesys.com> <20030210101539.GS31401@dualathlon.random> <3E4781A2.8070608@cyberone.com.au> <20030210111017.GV31401@dualathlon.random> <3E478C09.6060508@cyberone.com.au> <20030210113923.GY31401@dualathlon.random> <20030210034808.7441d611.akpm@digeo.com> <3E4792B7.5030108@cyberone.com.au> <20030210041245.68665ff6.akpm@digeo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Nokia Networks Message-Id: <1044990800.13119.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 11 Feb 2003 11:13:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1266 Lines: 33 On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 05:30, ext Rik van Riel wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > Could be that sending out a request which is larger than a track is > > saving a rev of the disk for some reason. > > I guess disks are optimised for the benchmarks that are > run by popular PC magazines ... Yes, absolutely they are (I used to work for one such company that no longer exists). However, there's a catch -- the disk drive companies are optimizing for the test as currently constituted, but the test keeps changing. So they're optimizing for version N-1 while the magazine is publishing N. Can't help it. Ever heard of the Nyquist frequency? > > After all, those benchmarks and the sales price are the > main factors determining sales ;) > Yup. In general, it's capacity first, then reliability, then performance. No, wait, not quite; the FIRST criterion is the ability to ship when you say you will. If you make Dell late on shipping a bunch of machines, you WILL feel the pain. --Rod - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/