Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:17:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:17:12 -0500 Received: from wohnheim.fh-wedel.de ([195.37.86.122]:50119 "EHLO wohnheim.fh-wedel.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:17:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:27:00 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Engel To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl?= Le Mignot Cc: Larry McVoy , lkml Subject: Re: openbkweb-0.0 Message-ID: <20030216162700.GA24184@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> References: <20030214235724.GA24139@work.bitmover.com> <20030215181211.GA12315@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2500 Lines: 56 On Sun, 16 February 2003 15:42:21 +0100, Ga?l Le Mignot wrote: > > By threating to use patents to prevent us for ever using the same idea > as you do (even if they grew up in our own minds), you've just added a > last proof to the fact that you don't care at all about Free Software, > and even Open Source or the Linux kernel, but just care about the > money you can earn. Money is a valid concern. Developers want to eat too, they might even have families. So let's put things into perspective. The market for Linux developers (Linux as in the kernel) consists mainly of the big processor and/or server manufacturers. Some developers work directly for them, some indirectly through a distributor. Processors and Servers are hardware, so those manufacturers basically give Linux away for free, but have you pay for the hardware afterwards. In the end, they make damn sure that you (yes, you) pay for Linux development. For SCM, there is no attached hardware. This is not just a different piece of software, it is a different business model. The customers pay for the software directly or not at all. Therefore a free software model has very little funding. The result of this is clearly visible. CVS is far from generating income for the developers. This means less developers and most of those work in their free time. Development is slow. Bitkeeper has paying customers and generated some $4M already, which is used to pay developers. The result is faster development. While started later than CVS, Bitkeeper is already closer to the goal. I don't like the bitkeeper license any more than you, but I have to admit that Larry has figured out a way to fund SCM. And that helps the Free Software movement, too. Now most people working on SCM projects have a common idea, where to go. This helps to coordinate people and speeds up development. Larry knows this and is concerned about his income, but even with software patents and such he will have a hard time to slow development down more than he accelerated it by creating Bitkeeper. So calm down, thing are not any worse than they would be without Larry. J?rn -- If you're willing to restrict the flexibility of your approach, you can almost always do something better. -- John Carmack - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/