Return-Path: <linux-kernel-owner+willy=40w.ods.org@vger.kernel.org>
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand
	id <S267441AbTBPUNP>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:13:15 -0500
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org
	id <S267452AbTBPUNP>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:13:15 -0500
Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:28559 "EHLO mail.bitmover.com")
	by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id <S267441AbTBPUNN>;
	Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:13:13 -0500
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:23:05 -0800
From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Henning Schmiedehausen <hps@intermeta.de>
Cc: Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
       Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: openbkweb-0.0
Message-ID: <20030216202305.GA28849@work.bitmover.com>
Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Henning Schmiedehausen <hps@intermeta.de>,
	Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
References: <1045241763.1353.19.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030214164720.GC200@louise.pinerecords.com> <20030214165041.GA6564@work.bitmover.com> <20030214170915.GE200@louise.pinerecords.com> <20030214172411.GC6564@work.bitmover.com> <b2l93k$v55$2@tangens.hometree.net> <3E4E51CC.3080700@walrond.org> <1045342539.5130.5.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <3E4F7E20.30905@walrond.org> <1045426736.1454.38.camel@henning-pc.hutweide.de>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <1045426736.1454.38.camel@henning-pc.hutweide.de>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Content-Length: 2690
Lines: 65

In the US, at least, all the deals I've been able to find cap the 
bandwidth at ~100Kbit/sec average rate.  

On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> Larry says that he hosts bkbits.net on a T1 which is shared with
> (probably) the IP traffic of bitkeeper.com and his VoIP. 
> 
> A fully loaded T1 can carry about 1/2 a TB per month traffic. This costs
> you at most (AT MOST!) about 350 Euros per month (e.g. www.odn.de) for
> a 2,3 Mbit SDSL line, which carries even 1,5 times the traffic of a T1).
> 
> Rack housing with a moderate traffic volume (e.g. enough for most
> service needs) cost you between 29 Euros for a dedicated server with 60
> Gigs (www.hetzner.de) to 25,90 euros for a shared hosting with a gig of
> disc space and unlimited traffic (www.hosteurope.de, Hostnet product).
> 
> All of the cited ISPs claim to have multi-GB uplinks to the various
> german an international peering points.  I wouldn't consider that a
> "garden hose".
> 
> Larry claimed a $15k bill for his T1. This is about 1200$ per months.
> You can get three flat 2.3 MBit SDSL lines for that. Or a dedicated
> server with about a TB of traffic in a housing center.
> 
> 	Regards
> 		Henning
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 13:03, Andrew Walrond wrote:
> > Alan Cox wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Unlimited bandwidth at low bitrate is cheap. If you want 100Mbit then boy
> >  > it gets pricy. Its the different between "all you get" and "you get xyz"
> >  >
> > 
> > Me thinks you miss my point :)
> > 
> > In the context of Larry saying "It costs $x,000 dollars for me to 
> > provide the bandwidth" and this guy saying "But you can get all you want 
> > for 50Euros" leads me to suspect that he believes he is sat at the end 
> > of an 8m main bore when infact he has at best a garden hose....
> > 
> > Andrew
> -- 
> Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen       -- Geschaeftsfuehrer
> INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH     hps@intermeta.de
> 
> Am Schwabachgrund 22  Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0   info@intermeta.de
> D-91054 Buckenhof     Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20   
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/

-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 
-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/