Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:44:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:44:24 -0500 Received: from c290168-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com ([65.0.213.53]:21742 "HELO top.worldcontrol.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:44:16 -0500 From: brian@worldcontrol.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:44:56 -0800 To: goemon@anime.net Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: XOR [ was: Linux stifles innovation.] Message-ID: <20010218004456.A13695@top.worldcontrol.com> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Litzinger , goemon@anime.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dan Hollis wrote: >Did you ignore it or did you pay up? >FWIW I recall there was prior art dating back to 1974 at the very least... Here is editing version of some correspondence that answers your question. > > > > US Patent #4,197,590 held by NuGraphics, Inc. > >On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:20:34PM -0500, David Relson wrote: > > > The patent was for using the technique of using XOR for dragging/moving > > > parts of a graphics image without erasing other parts. Also, since the > > > patent was granted in 1980, the inventors have had their 17 years of Brian Litzinger wrote: > >In 1984 I received a demand letter for $10,000 from a company, > >representing itself as the owner of the patent discuss above, as a > >unlimited license for use of the patent and another patent. At the > >time I ran a company that made graphics cards for IBM PCs. On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 01:59:59PM -0500, David Relson wrote: > Ouch! What did you do? While I was President, the company was large enough that I can't be certain of the details. I do recall that I railed against the company. I had actually met the people at the company making the demand some years earlier. I went on and on about the same things you see today about patents and copyrights. Our graphics platform had support for both XOR and save under cursors. I believe we did the following: made 'save under cursor' the default argued that since NEC made the graphics chips (7220A), which included the XOR function, that NEC rightly was the target of their demands, and that we would be a licensee as a part of having paid for the chip which included the technology. The other patent that was represented that they held had to do with the movement of bits from a memory storage device to an memory device that was mapped to a display. We argued mountains of prior art My instructions where that we were not to pay. We might have paid though. Not only might someone in the legal department have authorized the payment, but someone within the company was embezzling money at the time, so they might have sneaked out $10K under the guise of paying the demand. About a year later I was talking with a group of business owners who had also received a similar demand letter. Some paid, some didn't. Those who didn't pay were not pursued other than the occasional copy of the demand letter. Since that time, about 1986, I learned that there is a whole cottage industry of going through old, but not too old, patents and seeing how they can be misconstrued to apply to current technology, buying the patent for cheap, and then threatening "infringers". More or less an extortion racket. Generally the license fee demanded is low enough that is more cost effective, in the short term, to pay. And with shareholder lawsuits the way they are, short term thinking is the only thinking shareholders accept, and the extortionists know it. -- Brian Litzinger Copyright (c) 2000 By Brian Litzinger, All Rights Reserved ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Brian Litzinger Copyright (c) 2000 By Brian Litzinger, All Rights Reserved - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/