Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751805AbbHPAKl (ORCPT ); Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:10:41 -0400 Received: from mail.pwnoogle.com ([84.200.212.110]:51743 "EHLO pwnoogle.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751528AbbHPAKk (ORCPT ); Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:10:40 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 576 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:10:40 EDT To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: noisyb@a6.25u.com Subject: Hello everyone <3 Message-ID: <55CFD2A2.5020201@a6.25u.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 02:00:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2560 Lines: 57 I'll troll and spread a little FUD on behalf of people who have better manners.. :) This will only /reference/ a few circumstances in user-space and then ask an important question regarding kernel-space. Recently, the user-space side of operating systems (that use the Linux kernel) have been streamlined to be more appealing to an unprofessional audience. People who are probably not caring or aware of how operating systems function or what e.g. "Ready for the desktop." is supposed to even mean. At the same time these valuable people are impressing their friends, neighbours and strangers (who happened to walk by on the road) with shorter reboot cycles of their streamlined operating system. A key package in this streamlining of operating systems (that use the Linux kernel) is systemd, another iteration of the ideas that also led to the now defunct HAL project from a few years ago. systemd promises to remove/hide burdensome transparency (AKA complexity) of the operating system from unprofessional users into an unauditioned program that uses proprietary config files. I was so lucky so get in contact with systemd package maintainers of a popular operating system and they told me that they don't have enough people to keep up with the increasing speed of systemd updates/releases. So NO auditioning of systemd is taking place in one of the most important operating systems that uses the Linux kernel and uses the trademark "Linux" in the promotional material. The media is also still using "Linux operating system" or "Linux distribution" instead of just "operating system (that uses the Linux kernel)" to reference to these operating systems that are aimed at unprofessional users and where crucial parts are not auditioned. The problem is that all users experience the streamlined user-space but call it "Linux". Question: Wouldn't it be a good idea to enforce the Linux trademark (somewhen) in a way that all these streamlined operating systems use the word "Linux" more carefully (or not at all) in their promotional material? To make sure "correlation" isn't (deliberately) twisted into "causation" by the media /if/ the streamlining trend starts to cause serious regressions in transparency and reliability? Or is that too much politics for the weekend? Dirk -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/