Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755326AbbHQNEa (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:04:30 -0400 Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com ([209.85.213.180]:37240 "EHLO mail-ig0-f180.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753811AbbHQNE3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:04:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello everyone <3 To: Chuck Ebbert , noisyb@a6.25u.com References: <55CFD2A2.5020201@a6.25u.com> <20150815205011.15648b9f@as> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Austin S Hemmelgarn Message-ID: <55D1DBCF.7090809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:04:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150815205011.15648b9f@as> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms040308050707000709030400" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150817-1, 2015-08-17), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 6221 Lines: 106 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040308050707000709030400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015-08-15 20:50, Chuck Ebbert wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 02:00:34 +0200 > noisyb@a6.25u.com wrote: > >> Question: Wouldn't it be a good idea to enforce the Linux trademark >> (somewhen) in a way that all these streamlined operating systems use t= he >> word "Linux" more carefully (or not at all) in their promotional >> material? To make sure "correlation" isn't (deliberately) twisted into= >> "causation" by the media /if/ the streamlining trend starts to cause >> serious regressions in transparency and reliability? >> >> Or is that too much politics for the weekend? > > Concern troll is concerned. The way he stated his concern is of course not well thought out if he=20 wants anyone to act on it, and I do not at all condone it, but his point = is valid, people associating the regressions and instabilities that=20 systemd (or any other software that runs on Linux) with Linux itself is=20 not good for the public perception of Linux. There are already a lot of people who associate the insanity that is=20 userspace library version incompatibilities (GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and Qt,=20 just to name a few) with the term 'Linux', and many people don't=20 differentiate between the Linux kernel and the userspace on top of it=20 unless that userspace is actively hiding the unixisms from the user=20 (SteamOS and ChromeOS being a excellent example of doing such=20 abstractions right). --------------ms040308050707000709030400 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Brgwgga0MIIEnKADAgECAgMQblUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQENBQAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBD QTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNp Z25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcwHhcN 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