Subject: Re: Hello everyone <3
To: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
        Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
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Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
From: noisyb@a6.25u.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:01:24 +0200
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It doesn't matter anymore /how/ i state my concern.

The concern-game is over now.

Operating systems (that use the Linux kernel) have gained so much 
popularty that they stepped over a certain threshold.

That threshold is either "being attractive to money (corruption)" or, 
since people who develop for operating systems (that use the Linux 
kernel) are mostly not in it for the money, that threshold is "being 
attractive to people with e.g. a narcissistic personality disorder".

People who desperatly want to be remembered.

People who count the number of hits Google/Image delivers to their name.

Critics say that kernel-space and user-space have been wrapped into a 
svchost.exe now.
An indicator for someone (probably) building his little monopoly on "the 
final say".
If I was counting the number of hits Google/Image delivers to my name 
I'd be craving so much influence too.

Why care how my code looks or if I fix bugs or if my code is 
appropriately auditioned; when I have such a cool ego-vehicle that is 
used by so many people who do not care about any of this? Why care about 
Unix philosophies when the number of hits Google/Image delivers to my 
name are just more important to me?

Operating systems (that use the Linux kernel) were like classic music.

Now they are turned into pop music.

Because numbers attract people who care about numbers only.

It is a process that can't be stopped and which turns my "concern" into 
just an observation.


Dirk


On 08/17/15 15:04, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
> On 2015-08-15 20:50, Chuck Ebbert wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 02:00:34 +0200
>> noisyb@a6.25u.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question: Wouldn't it be a good idea to enforce the Linux trademark
>>> (somewhen) in a way that all these streamlined operating systems use the
>>> word "Linux" more carefully (or not at all) in their promotional
>>> material? To make sure "correlation" isn't (deliberately) twisted into
>>> "causation" by the media /if/ the streamlining trend starts to cause
>>> serious regressions in transparency and reliability?
>>>
>>> Or is that too much politics for the weekend?
>>
>> Concern troll is concerned.
> The way he stated his concern is of course not well thought out if he
> wants anyone to act on it, and I do not at all condone it, but his point
> is valid, people associating the regressions and instabilities that
> systemd (or any other software that runs on Linux) with Linux itself is
> not good for the public perception of Linux.
>
> There are already a lot of people who associate the insanity that is
> userspace library version incompatibilities (GNOME, KDE, GTK+, and Qt,
> just to name a few) with the term 'Linux', and many people don't
> differentiate between the Linux kernel and the userspace on top of it
> unless that userspace is actively hiding the unixisms from the user
> (SteamOS and ChromeOS being a excellent example of doing such
> abstractions right).
>
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